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How is Russia’s invasion of Ukraine seen in China?
2025-06-24
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这真的取决于算法。有时候我看到支持某一方的更多，有时候又看到支持另一方的更多。我说的是中国的社交平台。不过，我感觉支持乌克兰的人好像多一点。
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daredaki-sama
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It really depends on the algorithm. Sometimes I’ll see more support for one side and other times I’ll see more support for the other. I’m talking about Chinese platforms. I feel like there’s a little more Ukrainian supporters though.
这真的取决于算法。有时候我看到支持某一方的更多，有时候又看到支持另一方的更多。我说的是中国的社交平台。不过，我感觉支持乌克兰的人好像多一点。
Liorlecikee
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The political spectrum for China is as wide as it is in the U.S.A (or anywhere else in the world for this matter), so the most you can know is the range of opinions people personally seen on Chinese side of the internet.
As far as I am aware, there's these set of different opinions:
1. Geopolitical Realist: Ukraine is a western proxy and part of NATO expansionism, thus it is in China's geopolitical interest to support Russia.
2. Neo Liberal: Ukraine is a democratic country being invaded by autocratic Russia. They have to win, the liberal status-quo is justice and have to prevail (And you'll have your share of NAFO pro-Ukrainian accounts going around on Chinese social medias). They are cold-war hawkish kind of people who place Euro-American interest (justified by later being "progressive" and "democratic" and "free") above that of Russo-Chinese.
3. Russo-Soviet Nostalgist: Generally aesthetic enjoyers who enjoy the mythified russia as a musculine power/successor to "our com...st big brother", though I don't many of these voices are still that active after Russia's blitz falls apart.
4. Military Nerds: they care about the conflicts from a truly sports-fan perspective, i.e. they want to fill their encyclopedia of military knowledges with the hot-fresh exhibition directly from the battlefield. You'll find (1) and (2) overlapping with this group quite a lot.
5. Soft-heart Liberal: the kind you'll find in more left-leaning/demo-leaning circles here in the English-speaking spheres as well ---- They view Russia as reactionary fascistic forces and sympathize with Ukranian and view later as both progressive and democractic. The difference between (5) and (2) is that (5) is more "modern" (In the sense that they do not really view the matter from the cold geopolitical lens), while (2) are quite "old guard" in their perspectives.
And we'll have sub-group generally divided down from here, but overall, I don't think most Chinese (aside from category 2. I have a bias against them but I do think they prioritize Euro-American topics in most of their conversation) really place an enormous emphasis on this conflict above else, it's as distant as the current Israel-Iranian conflict, something they could stand aside and be onlookers toward.
中国的政治光谱和美国（或世界上任何其他地方）一样宽广，所以你最多能了解到的，也只是人们在中国互联网上亲眼所见的各种观点。
据我所知，存在以下几类不同的看法：
1. 地缘政治现实主义者：乌克兰是西方的代理人，是北约扩张的一部分，因此支持俄罗斯符合中国的地缘政治利益。
2. 新自由主义者：乌克兰是一个民主国家，正被专制的俄罗斯入侵。他们必须获胜，自由主义的现状即是正义，必须得到维护（你会在中国社交媒体上看到一些 NAFO 的亲乌克兰账号）。他们是那种冷战鹰派，将欧美利益（并用“进步”、“民主”和“自由”等说辞来为其辩护）置于中俄利益之上。
3. 苏俄怀旧者：通常是一些审美爱好者，他们将神话般的俄罗斯视为一种强权/“我们老大哥”苏联的继承者。不过，在俄罗斯闪电战失败后，这类声音似乎不那么活跃了。
4. 军事迷：他们纯粹从体育迷的角度关心这场冲突，也就是说，他们想用来自战场的、热乎乎的第一手资料来填充自己的军事知识库。你会发现第一类和第二类人中，有很多人也属于这一类。
5. 温和的自由派：你在英语圈里偏左/偏民主的圈子里也能找到这类人——他们将俄罗斯视为反动的法西斯势力，同情乌克兰，并认为乌克兰是进步和民主的。第（5）类和第（2）类的区别在于，第（5）类更“现代”（因为他们并不真正从冷战地缘政治的角度看待问题），而第（2）类的观点则相当“老派”。
从这些群体还可以分出更多亚种。但总的来说，我认为大多数中国人（除了我提到的第2类，我对他们有偏见，但我觉得他们大多数对话都优先考虑欧美话题）并没有把这场冲突看得比其他事更重要。它就像当前的以色列-伊朗冲突一样遥远，是可以袖手旁观的事情。
GanacheCharacter2104
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How is the Russian invasion of Manchuria(1860) viewed? A very similar situation in my point of view.
俄罗斯入侵满洲（1860年）这件事是怎么被看待的？在我看来，这和现在的情况非常相似。
Liorlecikee
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I am not aware of a 1860 invasion in Manchuria. The closest one I found in Russia's Annexiation of outter Manchuria in 1896, so I'll use this one as a reference.
Annexiation of Manchuria: not frequently talked about and is generally brought up mostly by the more nationalistic side of the camp, alongside the demand to retake "what is rightfully ours" or as reminder for the untrustworthiness of Russia (sometimes with deragtory racist troupes about the violent, greedy white mongols that will always attempt to expand at any given chances). In general it's swiped into the general "imperialist land grab" that's part of the "century of humiliation" narrative and Russia's particularity is downplayed. The general consensus of modern Russia is a mix between "continuation of our old com...st big brother" and "masculine slavic supermen living under a constantly trippy, chaotic frigid world", with their imperialistic tendency downplayed. Coupled with the prence of geopolitical realism analysis, at least for now, the consensus on the matter is "Yes, the land should be ours, but now is not the time to talk about it".
我不知道1860年有什么入侵满洲的事。我能找到最接近的是1896年俄罗斯吞并外满洲，所以我就以此为参考吧。
对满洲的吞并：这件事不常被谈及，通常是由阵营里更偏民族主义的一方提出来的，伴随着收回“本就属于我们的土地”的要求，或是用来提醒大家俄罗斯不可信（有时会带上一些贬损的种族主义陈词滥调，比如把他们说成是暴力、贪婪、一有机会就扩张的白色蒙古人）。总的来说，这件事被归入了“百年国耻”叙事下的“帝国主义掠夺土地”这一大类，而俄罗斯的特殊性被淡化了。对现代俄罗斯的普遍看法，是“我们老大哥苏联的延续”和“生活在一个光怪陆离、混乱严寒世界里的强健斯拉夫超人”的混合体，其帝国主义倾向被淡化了。再加上地缘政治现实主义分析的流行，至少目前，关于此事的共识是：“是的，那片土地本该是我们的，但现在不是谈论这个的时候。”
Codex_Dev
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What about the view that Russia is now military weak and vulnerable to a China land grab?
那种认为俄罗斯现在军事虚弱、很容易被中国抢占领土的看法呢？
Tedim2
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Russia is the largest holder of Nuclear weapons this ends all conversion on land grabs…the Kursk invasion was used to murder 60k Ukrainians that’s why they didn’t nuke Lviv
俄罗斯是最大的核武器拥有国，这就终结了所有关于抢占领土的对话……库尔斯克入侵是为了屠杀6万乌克兰人，所以他们才没有用核弹攻击利沃夫。
Codex_Dev
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So was the Soviet unx, that didn't stop wars from breaking out in the former states after it collapsed. Also there is a good chance that after Putin dies, there will be a massive power struggle. If certain regions break away again, I could definitely see China annexing them.
苏联也是，但这并没有阻止其解体后在前加盟国爆发战争。而且，普京死后很有可能会有一场大规模的权力斗争。如果某些地区再次分裂出去，我完全可以想见中国会吞并它们。
One-Performance-1108
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Unless Russia is weak to the point that annexion is a simple formality, China will never annex land for pure pleasure. There is an "after" : colonisation, assimilation or deportation... You have to do something, cannot just walk by, say "chill brother", and expect everything goes the way you want.
除非俄罗斯弱到只是作为一种形式存在，否则中国绝不会为了纯粹的快感而吞并土地。之后还有事呢：殖民、同化或驱逐……你总得做点什么，不能只是路过说声“淡定，兄弟”，然后就指望一切都按你的意愿发展。
GM22K
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You have China fighting for Landrgrab in north while Taiwan is sitting there waiting for any chance to do bidding of its North Atlantic imperialist master. Such blunder can only be done by “leaders of justice and democracy”.
你让中国在北方为抢地盘而战，而台湾（地区）就坐在那里，等着任何机会去执行它北大西洋帝国主义主子的命令。这种蠢事只有“正义与民主的领导人”才干得出来。
No_Complex2964
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Huh? Aside from pro Russian reports no one believes Ukraine lost that many in Kursk. Like at all lM. They probably lost that many men in the 2023 summer counter offensive because of how much of a failure that was.
啊？除了亲俄的报道，根本没人相信乌克兰在库尔斯克损失了那么多人。真的，笑死。他们可能是在2023年夏季反攻中损失了那么多人，因为那次反攻太失败了。
Crisis_Tastle
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Some Western politicians only cheer when China attacks Russia, and at the same time they point fingers at China's actions to recover its legitimate territory and protect its sovereign territory from being violated. The ugly faces of these people are obvious. The essence is that the United States and the West cannot stop Russia's advance in Ukraine through military aid, so they have to fabricate false news to deceive themselves, try to sow discord between China and Russia, and maintain a good self-esteem.
To put it bluntly, if the Russian-Ukrainian war allows China to seize the entire Russian market without spending a single soldier, why should we use force to attack Russia? Do they think the Chinese are stupid? Just like them?
有些西方政客只有在中国攻击俄罗斯时才会欢呼，同时又对中国收复合法领土、保护主权不受侵犯的行为指手画脚。这些人的丑恶嘴脸昭然若揭。本质上就是，美国和西方无法通过军事援助阻止俄罗斯在乌克兰的推进，所以只好编造假新闻来欺骗自己，试图挑拨中俄关系，维持自己可怜的自尊心。
说白了，如果俄乌战争能让中国不费一兵一卒就拿下整个俄罗斯市场，我们又何必用武力去攻击俄罗斯呢？他们以为中国人跟他们一样蠢吗？
Linmizhang
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People I know support Ukraine because Russian looking bad/weak
我认识的人支持乌克兰，因为俄罗斯看起来很糟糕/很弱。
Ok_Ask3133
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People I know support Russia because Ukrainian looking bad/weak/mad
我认识的人支持俄罗斯，因为乌克兰看起来很糟糕/很弱/很疯。
MegaMB
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I mean, you're russian, it would be surprising if Ukraine was portrayed in any other way.
And from you to me, having portrayed Ukraine as weak for now more than a decade maaayyy have been a bit of a failure/problem. Russia is still stuck in a 3 years long war in Ukraine, and hum... It would be dumb if it still lasted a year. Or 2. Or 3.
我的意思是，你是俄罗斯人，如果乌克兰不被描绘成别的样子才奇怪呢。
而且私下说，把乌克兰描绘成弱国十多年了，这可能本身就是个失败/问题。俄罗斯现在还陷在乌克兰一场长达三年的战争里，嗯……如果这场战争再持续一年、两年或三年，那可就太蠢了。
reallynewaccount
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Those who try to compare how weak/strong Russia vs UA always forget that in Russia if you get 20km from front line its absolutely "life as ususal". There is no war neither in terms of economics or media coverage. Yes there are some issues, but there are issues now everywhere.
In other words Russia fights against 1 mln+ NATO supported/armed coalition using "peace time" approach. So, yes army got bigger, military plants work 24/7, etc, but it's rather a "focus on war" than "all in war".
那些试图比较俄乌强弱的人总是忘了，在俄罗斯，只要离前线20公里，就完全是“一切照旧”。无论从经济上还是媒体报道上，那里都没有战争。是的，是有些问题，但现在哪里都有问题。
换句话说，俄罗斯正在用一种“和平时期”的方式，对抗着一个百万兵力以上、由北约支持/武装的联盟。所以，是的，军队规模变大了，军工厂在7*24小时运转等等，但这更像是“聚焦于战争”，而不是“全民皆战”。
WaysOfG
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Government is supportive of Russia but only barely.
The people varies but mostly just watching it for drama, not many people understand why Ukraine and Russia is beefing.
As for your question, well China is not supplying weapons, Russia hasn't asked for it, and I don't think Russia even needs Chinese weapons.
政府支持俄罗斯，但只是勉强支持。
民众态度各异，但大多数人只是当热闹看，没多少人明白乌克兰和俄罗斯为什么闹翻。
至于你的问题，嗯，中国没有提供武器，俄罗斯也没要求，而且我认为俄罗斯甚至不需要中国的武器。
BadBouncyBear
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They need North Korean and Iranian weapons, but not Chinese? I think they would LOVE weapons from China
他们需要朝鲜和伊朗的武器，但不需要中国的？我觉得他们会超爱来自中国的武器。
Familiar-City2530
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ego i believe. russians are a prideful people
我认为是自尊心作祟。俄罗斯人是个自负的民族。
GeologistOld1265
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Question is disinformation. China does not supply Russia with weapons.
这个问题本身就是虚假信息。中国没有向俄罗斯提供武器。
MegaMB
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At this point, it's pretty clear some Chinese companies do support Russia with some important components, including (especially?) On the drone sectore of things.
Which, givent that it's a military weapon developping at a fast paces right now, makes absolute sense. It sucks, and China is destroying it's reputation in Europe, but also provides some important return of experience and industrial base for the modernisation of it's forces in the drone age.
事到如今，很明显有些中国公司的确在为俄罗斯提供一些重要部件，尤其是在无人机领域。
鉴于无人机是目前发展迅速的一种军事武器，这完全说得通。这很糟糕，中国正在摧毁自己在欧洲的声誉，但这也为中国军队在无人机时代的现代化提供了重要的经验反馈和工业基础。
GeologistOld1265
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Components? May be. On other side NATO openly supply weapons, intelligence even tactical control.
You will not be able to name a single weapon system China provide.
部件？也许有。但另一方面，北约可是公开提供武器、情报甚至战术指挥。
你根本说不出任何一个中国提供的武器系统。
MegaMB
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Oh no, and I don't think I denied it. Except if you consider some vehicles on the frontlines as weapons. But at the same time, without Chinese motors, the Shahed drones currently bombarding Ukraine would not be there, or would be in muuuch smaller numbers.
And yes, full, hard agree with the NATO support, although US support is fledgling. Will not stop the EU support to continue for years if necessary. And if China wants to (dumbly) antigonize the EU on this matter, I do think it's pretty much a shame when it could use it to show the US are not the only alliance option, and we shouldn't follow them in case of a US-China confrontation.
哦不，我并不认为我否认了这一点。除非你把前线的一些车辆也算作武器。但同时，没有中国的马达，现在轰炸乌克兰的“见证者”无人机就不会存在，或者数量会少得多。
是的，我完全同意北约的支持，尽管美国的支持现在有些不稳。但如果有必要，欧盟的支持还会持续好几年。如果中国想在这件事上（愚蠢地）与欧盟为敌，我确实认为这很可惜，因为中国本可以利用这个机会来表明美国不是唯一的联盟选择，我们也不应该在美中对抗的情况下追随他们。
GeologistOld1265
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You still were not able to name a single weapon system China providing.
你还是说不出任何一个中国提供的武器系统。
liziqu
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Shameless question, China doesn't treat Russia and Ukraine differently, what it sells to Russia Ukraine is just as capable of buying because it's civilian equipment, not military products
真是个无耻的问题。中国对俄罗斯和乌克兰一视同仁，卖给俄罗斯的东西，乌克兰同样能买到，因为这些都是民用设备，不是军品。
joemc1972
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Yes they do.
不，他们没有一视同仁。
liziqu
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Are you insulting the world's number one industrialized country?If China supports Russian weapons then Ukraine will soon disappear from the map, what is now restraining the speed of Russian aggression is the speed of its feeble weapons manufacturing
你是在侮辱世界第一工业国吗？如果中国支持俄罗斯武器，那乌克兰很快就会从地图上消失。现在限制俄罗斯侵略速度的，是它自己那点可怜的武器制造速度。
No_Complex2964
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Probably not. China manufactures about the same amount of weapons as the United States. So no Ukraine would not cease to exist. The war would just enter a more very bloody bloody state.
大概不会。中国的武器产量和美国差不多。所以不，乌克兰不会消失。战争只会进入一个更加血腥的状态。
joemc1972
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I didn’t say China is pouring weapons in. They are providing limited support especially in the area of drones, spare parts etc. not main battle tanks etc
我没说中国在大量输送武器。他们只是在提供有限的支持，尤其是在无人机、零部件等领域，而不是主战坦克之类的。
piscator111
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We are not comfortable with Russia now wanting to annex entire Ukraine. However, given the fact EU calls China as a systematic threat, we are happy to watch Russia make EU squirm.
In the end, China’s leverage over Russia is extremely limited.
EU calling us enabler of Russia is pissing us off, the reality is the West’s military industrial complexes depend on our critical mineral exports, not Russia’s, Russia has all the resources it needs to wage war. We are now restricting critical mineral export to America and allies, tone down the belligerent impotence then talk.
我们对俄罗斯现在想吞并整个乌克兰感到不安。然而，鉴于欧盟称中国为系统性威胁，我们乐于看到俄罗斯让欧盟难受。
说到底，中国对俄罗斯的影响力极其有限。
欧盟说我们是俄罗斯的帮凶，这让我们很火大。现实是，西方的军工复合体依赖我们的关键矿产出口，而不是俄罗斯的。俄罗斯拥有发动战争所需的一切资源。我们现在正在限制对美国及其盟友的关键矿产出口，先收起你们那好战又无能的调子再来谈。
OgreSage
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EU is clearly not considering China a systemic threat... That'd be USA, which also considers EU as such.
EU instead is increasing exchanges and connection with China, openly rejecting US injunctions to do otherwise.
欧盟显然没有把中国视为系统性威胁……那说的是美国，美国也这么看欧盟。
相反，欧盟正在增加与中国的交流和联系，公开拒绝美国要求其改变做法的禁令。
piscator111
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Both EU and NATO have repeatedly said China is a systematic competitor/rival/adversary/threat. These are public statements by heads of EU and NATO
欧盟和北约都一再表示，中国是系统性的竞争者/对手/敌人/威胁。这些都是欧盟和北约首脑的公开声明。
OneNectarine1545
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The war in Ukraine has consumed so much of the West's focus that it has significantly reduced the pressure China faces over Taiwan. Moreover, as Russia's strength has waned since its invasion, Central Asia has fallen almost entirely into China's sphere of influence.
In my personal opinion, a US-Iran war would create the perfect opportunity for China to launch a conflict in the Taiwan Strait.
In this sense, Putin, Zelenskyy, Khamenei, Netanyahu, Biden, and Trump are—in effect—China's greatest benefactors. It is thanks to them that the future for China's reunification with Taiwan looks brighter than ever.
乌克兰战争消耗了西方太多的精力，以至于大大减轻了中国在台湾（地区）问题上面临的压力。此外，随着俄罗斯入侵后实力减弱，中亚几乎完全落入中国的势力范围。
我个人认为，一场美伊战争将为中国在台湾（地区）海峡发动冲突创造完美时机。
从这个意义上说，普京、泽连斯基、哈梅内伊、内塔尼亚胡、拜登和特朗普——实际上都是中国的最大恩人。多亏了他们，中国与台湾（地区）统一的未来才看起来比以往任何时候都更加光明。
salty-all-the-thyme
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When I heard the news I got to work all like “mahn , crazy stuff. Russia is being an ass about this” kind of ignorantly assuming the Chinese media was giving the same narrative as I was fed.
And then I was absolutely bombarded by all my Chinese colleagues about how it’s Ukraines fault this whole thing started and they got proper fiery about it , needless to say I stoped that conversation dead in its tracks.
当我听到这个消息时，我还去上班，无知地以为中国媒体的叙事和我接触到的一样，还说什么“天啊，太疯狂了。俄罗斯这么做真是个混蛋”。
结果我立刻被所有中国同事围攻，他们都说这整件事都是乌克兰的错，而且说得义愤填膺。不用说，我当场就结束了这个话题。
Jazzlike_Initial8782
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Most people I know don't really care as it doesn't affect their daily life.
我认识的大多数人其实并不关心，因为它不影响他们的日常生活。
Massive-Raise-2805
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Many people sympathize with Ukrainian but after all it's not our war. So people just kinda watch how things go.
Not to mention that our drone industry is making a killing for supplying both sides
很多人同情乌克兰，但毕竟这不是我们的战争。所以大家就看看热闹，观望事情会如何发展。
更不用说，我们的无人机产业因为向双方供货而大赚特赚。
Not_a_real_plebbitor
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Only the most braindead and geopolitically clueless in China would support the american proxy known as ukraine against Russia. Not many of these people left in 2025 and none of them are taken seriously here.
But reddit being an american controlled site will show you a different narrative for sure.
在中国，只有那些最没脑子、对地缘政治最无知的人才会支持美国代理人（也就是乌克兰）去对抗俄罗斯。到了2025年，这种人已经剩不下多少了，而且在这里没人会把他们当回事。
但Reddit作为一个美国控制的网站，肯定会给你展示一种不同的说法。
solar1ze
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American proxy? This is laughable. None of Russia’s neighbours want anything to do with them because of their history of oppression and brutality.
美国的代理人？真可笑。俄罗斯的邻国没有一个想和他们扯上关系，就是因为他们压迫和残暴的历史。
CptPicard
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Ok, so are let's say Estonians and the Finns "American proxies"? Just to expand on this thinking a bit...
好吧，那么照这么说，爱沙尼亚人和芬兰人也是“美国的代理人”吗？只是想把这个思路稍微延伸一下……
Not_a_real_plebbitor
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Are they in a proxy war against Russia at the moment?
他们现在正和俄罗斯打代理人战争吗？
2beHero
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Putin literally said a few days ago that Moldova, then the Baltics are next. He said that 'russia is anywhere where his soldier walks'.
普京几天前确实说了，下一个是摩尔多瓦，然后是波罗的海国家。他说‘俄罗斯士兵所到之处，皆为俄罗斯’。
Not_a_real_plebbitor
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When you make shit up you get ignored
你要是这么胡说八道，就没人理你了。
Reddit_BroZar
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My Chinese friends are divided into two major groups:
1. Traditional Russia supporters,
2. Political realism fans (do not necessarily support Putin but viewing the conflict as yet another attempt by the West to expand its influence and using Ukraine as a proxy in a larger geopolitical fight).
我的中国朋友主要分为两大类：
1. 传统的俄罗斯支持者。
2. 政治现实主义爱好者（他们不一定支持普京，但认为这场冲突是西方试图扩大影响力的又一次尝试，并将乌克兰作为更大地缘政治斗争中的代理人）。
Top-Fig-8846
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From a Chinese perspective (so are my parents'): Sort of like a civil war between siblings, shared language, same ethnicity.... two countries that once belonged to the same family, the Soviet unx, now fighting for the legacy to be inherited or something.... Very difficult to judge from an outsider's angle, dont wanna learn too much either, so.... as the neighbor we'd better stay away.
从一个中国人的视角来看（我父母也是这么看）：这有点像兄弟间的内战，语言相通，种族相同……两个曾同属苏联大家庭的国家，现在为了继承遗产之类的东西而打起来……从外人的角度很难评判，也不想了解太多，所以……作为邻居，我们最好还是离远点。
Alaska-Kid
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One of the relatives started stealing from the family business, then he made friends with criminals, got into microloans and a little bit of drugs. What could go wrong, heh.
有个亲戚开始偷家里的生意，然后他交了些罪犯朋友，搞上了小额贷款，还沾了点毒品。这能出什么岔子呢，呵呵。
larktok
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For the vast majority of Chinese, “none of our business”
对绝大多数中国人来说，“与我们无关”。
MegaMB
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The fact China (and most Chinese people) see things this way is pretty surprising as a european. You guys had a golden opportunity to break NATO and turn Europe and the EU towards a much more pro-Chinese stance. Probably enough to ensure a healthy neutrality.
作为一个欧洲人，看到中国（和大多数中国人）这样看待事情，我感到非常惊讶。你们曾有一个绝佳的机会来瓦解北约，并让欧洲和欧盟转向一个更亲华的立场。这或许足以确保一种健康的战略中立。
meiguobisi
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Haha, Europe is now like a coquettish 80-year-old woman, saying to China, a young and strong man: I will give you a chance to please me and prove that you really love me, so that I will consider dating you.
哈哈，欧洲现在就像一个搔首弄姿的80岁老太太，对中国这个年轻力壮的小伙子说：我给你一个取悦我的机会，证明你真的爱我，这样我才会考虑和你交往。
MegaMB
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Welcome to the real world, where Europe is indeed a continent of democracies, and where power and what makes people ally or not to other countries are the soft power and popular opinions.
If you don't think it's credible or true, no problems. But don't go ranting in a few years if the european populations end up supporting the US in a future US-China conflict.
欢迎来到现实世界，在这里，欧洲确实是一个由民主国家组成的大陆，权力以及让人们结盟与否的因素是软实力和民意。
如果你不认为这是可信或真实的，没问题。但如果几年后，欧洲民众最终在未来的美中冲突中支持美国，你可别到时候再咆哮。
meiguobisi
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It doesn't matter. Europe can choose to be a vassal of the United States. China has never expected you to have the right to make independent decisions. At present, Russia is confronting Europe, and China is confronting the United States. It can be regarded as a fair 2V2 confrontation.
Europe supports China, so what? Does Europe dare to oppose the United States for its own interests?
Europe opposes China, so what? Do you plan to cross half the world and open up a second battlefield in Asia?
无所谓。欧洲可以选择做美国的附庸。中国从没指望你们有权做出独立决定。目前是俄罗斯对抗欧洲，中国对抗美国，可以算是一场公平的2V2对抗。
欧洲支持中国，又能怎样？欧洲敢为了自己的利益反对美国吗？
欧洲反对中国，又能怎样？你们打算跨越半个地球，在亚洲开辟第二战场吗？
shopchin
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Why does C suck it up or so afraid of offending Russia? Remember Vladivostok?
C is pretending like it never happened as compared to how aggressively they are annexing foreign land in the South C Sea themselves.
If you look at the 9 dash line map, you will realize how ridiculous it is. It literally goes up to the shorelines of smaller nations.
为什么C要忍气吞声，或者说那么怕得罪俄罗斯？还记得符拉迪沃斯托克（海参崴）吗？
C假装这事从没发生过，而相比之下，他们自己在南海却在咄咄逼人地吞并外国土地。
如果你看看九段线地图，你就会意识到它有多荒谬。它几乎都划到了小国的海岸线上了。
InternationalCat3714
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You haven't figured out the main contradiction and the secondary contradiction. Is China's main external contradiction now the territorial contradiction with Russia or the contradiction with the West? Regarding the nine-dash line in the South China Sea, it was not originally drawn by the People's Republic of China, but by the Republic of China supported by the West. At first, there was an 11-dash line. After the civil war, the Chinese com...st Party came to power and naturally inherited the ROC's claims in the South China Sea. China and Ho Chi Minh were friendly and two dashes were removed from the eleven dashes. Taiwan retained the eleven-dash line claim to the South China Sea. When the lines were drawn, there were no so-called "neighboring countries" today. At that time, they were all overseas territories of Western countries. The 11-dash line was also recognized by Western countries. It is impossible for China to cede territory to them just because they became independent from Western countries in a few years. This is unrealistic.
你还没搞清楚主要矛盾和次要矛盾。现在中国主要的外部矛盾是和俄罗斯的领土矛盾，还是和西方的矛盾？关于南海九段线，它最初不是新中国划的，而是西方支持的“中华民国”划的。起初是十一段线。内战后，中共上台，自然继承了“中华民国”在南海的主张。后来中国和胡志明关系友好，就从十一段线里去掉了两段。而台湾（地区）保留了对南海的十一段线主张。当年划线的时候，还没有今天这些所谓的“邻国”。那时它们都是西方国家的海外领地。十一段线也得到了西方国家的承认。中国不可能因为它们几年后从西方国家独立了，就把领土割让给它们。这不现实。
原文地址：https://www.reddit.com/r/AskChina/comments/1lgl358/how_is_russias_invasion_of_ukraine_seen_in_china/
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It really depends on the algorithm. Sometimes I’ll see more support for one side and other times I’ll see more support for the other. I’m talking about Chinese platforms. I feel like there’s a little more Ukrainian supporters though.
这真的取决于算法。有时候我看到支持某一方的更多，有时候又看到支持另一方的更多。我说的是中国的社交平台。不过，我感觉支持乌克兰的人好像多一点。
Liorlecikee
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The political spectrum for China is as wide as it is in the U.S.A (or anywhere else in the world for this matter), so the most you can know is the range of opinions people personally seen on Chinese side of the internet.
As far as I am aware, there's these set of different opinions:
1. Geopolitical Realist: Ukraine is a western proxy and part of NATO expansionism, thus it is in China's geopolitical interest to support Russia.
2. Neo Liberal: Ukraine is a democratic country being invaded by autocratic Russia. They have to win, the liberal status-quo is justice and have to prevail (And you'll have your share of NAFO pro-Ukrainian accounts going around on Chinese social medias). They are cold-war hawkish kind of people who place Euro-American interest (justified by later being "progressive" and "democratic" and "free") above that of Russo-Chinese.
3. Russo-Soviet Nostalgist: Generally aesthetic enjoyers who enjoy the mythified russia as a musculine power/successor to "our com...st big brother", though I don't many of these voices are still that active after Russia's blitz falls apart.
4. Military Nerds: they care about the conflicts from a truly sports-fan perspective, i.e. they want to fill their encyclopedia of military knowledges with the hot-fresh exhibition directly from the battlefield. You'll find (1) and (2) overlapping with this group quite a lot.
5. Soft-heart Liberal: the kind you'll find in more left-leaning/demo-leaning circles here in the English-speaking spheres as well ---- They view Russia as reactionary fascistic forces and sympathize with Ukranian and view later as both progressive and democractic. The difference between (5) and (2) is that (5) is more "modern" (In the sense that they do not really view the matter from the cold geopolitical lens), while (2) are quite "old guard" in their perspectives.
And we'll have sub-group generally divided down from here, but overall, I don't think most Chinese (aside from category 2. I have a bias against them but I do think they prioritize Euro-American topics in most of their conversation) really place an enormous emphasis on this conflict above else, it's as distant as the current Israel-Iranian conflict, something they could stand aside and be onlookers toward.
中国的政治光谱和美国（或世界上任何其他地方）一样宽广，所以你最多能了解到的，也只是人们在中国互联网上亲眼所见的各种观点。
据我所知，存在以下几类不同的看法：
1. 地缘政治现实主义者：乌克兰是西方的代理人，是北约扩张的一部分，因此支持俄罗斯符合中国的地缘政治利益。
2. 新自由主义者：乌克兰是一个民主国家，正被专制的俄罗斯入侵。他们必须获胜，自由主义的现状即是正义，必须得到维护（你会在中国社交媒体上看到一些 NAFO 的亲乌克兰账号）。他们是那种冷战鹰派，将欧美利益（并用“进步”、“民主”和“自由”等说辞来为其辩护）置于中俄利益之上。
3. 苏俄怀旧者：通常是一些审美爱好者，他们将神话般的俄罗斯视为一种强权/“我们老大哥”苏联的继承者。不过，在俄罗斯闪电战失败后，这类声音似乎不那么活跃了。
4. 军事迷：他们纯粹从体育迷的角度关心这场冲突，也就是说，他们想用来自战场的、热乎乎的第一手资料来填充自己的军事知识库。你会发现第一类和第二类人中，有很多人也属于这一类。
5. 温和的自由派：你在英语圈里偏左/偏民主的圈子里也能找到这类人——他们将俄罗斯视为反动的法西斯势力，同情乌克兰，并认为乌克兰是进步和民主的。第（5）类和第（2）类的区别在于，第（5）类更“现代”（因为他们并不真正从冷战地缘政治的角度看待问题），而第（2）类的观点则相当“老派”。
从这些群体还可以分出更多亚种。但总的来说，我认为大多数中国人（除了我提到的第2类，我对他们有偏见，但我觉得他们大多数对话都优先考虑欧美话题）并没有把这场冲突看得比其他事更重要。它就像当前的以色列-伊朗冲突一样遥远，是可以袖手旁观的事情。
GanacheCharacter2104
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How is the Russian invasion of Manchuria(1860) viewed? A very similar situation in my point of view.
俄罗斯入侵满洲（1860年）这件事是怎么被看待的？在我看来，这和现在的情况非常相似。
Liorlecikee
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I am not aware of a 1860 invasion in Manchuria. The closest one I found in Russia's Annexiation of outter Manchuria in 1896, so I'll use this one as a reference.
Annexiation of Manchuria: not frequently talked about and is generally brought up mostly by the more nationalistic side of the camp, alongside the demand to retake "what is rightfully ours" or as reminder for the untrustworthiness of Russia (sometimes with deragtory racist troupes about the violent, greedy white mongols that will always attempt to expand at any given chances). In general it's swiped into the general "imperialist land grab" that's part of the "century of humiliation" narrative and Russia's particularity is downplayed. The general consensus of modern Russia is a mix between "continuation of our old com...st big brother" and "masculine slavic supermen living under a constantly trippy, chaotic frigid world", with their imperialistic tendency downplayed. Coupled with the prence of geopolitical realism analysis, at least for now, the consensus on the matter is "Yes, the land should be ours, but now is not the time to talk about it".
我不知道1860年有什么入侵满洲的事。我能找到最接近的是1896年俄罗斯吞并外满洲，所以我就以此为参考吧。
对满洲的吞并：这件事不常被谈及，通常是由阵营里更偏民族主义的一方提出来的，伴随着收回“本就属于我们的土地”的要求，或是用来提醒大家俄罗斯不可信（有时会带上一些贬损的种族主义陈词滥调，比如把他们说成是暴力、贪婪、一有机会就扩张的白色蒙古人）。总的来说，这件事被归入了“百年国耻”叙事下的“帝国主义掠夺土地”这一大类，而俄罗斯的特殊性被淡化了。对现代俄罗斯的普遍看法，是“我们老大哥苏联的延续”和“生活在一个光怪陆离、混乱严寒世界里的强健斯拉夫超人”的混合体，其帝国主义倾向被淡化了。再加上地缘政治现实主义分析的流行，至少目前，关于此事的共识是：“是的，那片土地本该是我们的，但现在不是谈论这个的时候。”
Codex_Dev
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What about the view that Russia is now military weak and vulnerable to a China land grab?
那种认为俄罗斯现在军事虚弱、很容易被中国抢占领土的看法呢？
Tedim2
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Russia is the largest holder of Nuclear weapons this ends all conversion on land grabs…the Kursk invasion was used to murder 60k Ukrainians that’s why they didn’t nuke Lviv
俄罗斯是最大的核武器拥有国，这就终结了所有关于抢占领土的对话……库尔斯克入侵是为了屠杀6万乌克兰人，所以他们才没有用核弹攻击利沃夫。
Codex_Dev
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So was the Soviet unx, that didn't stop wars from breaking out in the former states after it collapsed. Also there is a good chance that after Putin dies, there will be a massive power struggle. If certain regions break away again, I could definitely see China annexing them.
苏联也是，但这并没有阻止其解体后在前加盟国爆发战争。而且，普京死后很有可能会有一场大规模的权力斗争。如果某些地区再次分裂出去，我完全可以想见中国会吞并它们。
One-Performance-1108
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Unless Russia is weak to the point that annexion is a simple formality, China will never annex land for pure pleasure. There is an "after" : colonisation, assimilation or deportation... You have to do something, cannot just walk by, say "chill brother", and expect everything goes the way you want.
除非俄罗斯弱到只是作为一种形式存在，否则中国绝不会为了纯粹的快感而吞并土地。之后还有事呢：殖民、同化或驱逐……你总得做点什么，不能只是路过说声“淡定，兄弟”，然后就指望一切都按你的意愿发展。
GM22K
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You have China fighting for Landrgrab in north while Taiwan is sitting there waiting for any chance to do bidding of its North Atlantic imperialist master. Such blunder can only be done by “leaders of justice and democracy”.
你让中国在北方为抢地盘而战，而台湾（地区）就坐在那里，等着任何机会去执行它北大西洋帝国主义主子的命令。这种蠢事只有“正义与民主的领导人”才干得出来。
No_Complex2964
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Huh? Aside from pro Russian reports no one believes Ukraine lost that many in Kursk. Like at all lM. They probably lost that many men in the 2023 summer counter offensive because of how much of a failure that was.
啊？除了亲俄的报道，根本没人相信乌克兰在库尔斯克损失了那么多人。真的，笑死。他们可能是在2023年夏季反攻中损失了那么多人，因为那次反攻太失败了。
Crisis_Tastle
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Some Western politicians only cheer when China attacks Russia, and at the same time they point fingers at China's actions to recover its legitimate territory and protect its sovereign territory from being violated. The ugly faces of these people are obvious. The essence is that the United States and the West cannot stop Russia's advance in Ukraine through military aid, so they have to fabricate false news to deceive themselves, try to sow discord between China and Russia, and maintain a good self-esteem.
To put it bluntly, if the Russian-Ukrainian war allows China to seize the entire Russian market without spending a single soldier, why should we use force to attack Russia? Do they think the Chinese are stupid? Just like them?
有些西方政客只有在中国攻击俄罗斯时才会欢呼，同时又对中国收复合法领土、保护主权不受侵犯的行为指手画脚。这些人的丑恶嘴脸昭然若揭。本质上就是，美国和西方无法通过军事援助阻止俄罗斯在乌克兰的推进，所以只好编造假新闻来欺骗自己，试图挑拨中俄关系，维持自己可怜的自尊心。
说白了，如果俄乌战争能让中国不费一兵一卒就拿下整个俄罗斯市场，我们又何必用武力去攻击俄罗斯呢？他们以为中国人跟他们一样蠢吗？
Linmizhang
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People I know support Ukraine because Russian looking bad/weak
我认识的人支持乌克兰，因为俄罗斯看起来很糟糕/很弱。
Ok_Ask3133
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People I know support Russia because Ukrainian looking bad/weak/mad
我认识的人支持俄罗斯，因为乌克兰看起来很糟糕/很弱/很疯。
MegaMB
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I mean, you're russian, it would be surprising if Ukraine was portrayed in any other way.
And from you to me, having portrayed Ukraine as weak for now more than a decade maaayyy have been a bit of a failure/problem. Russia is still stuck in a 3 years long war in Ukraine, and hum... It would be dumb if it still lasted a year. Or 2. Or 3.
我的意思是，你是俄罗斯人，如果乌克兰不被描绘成别的样子才奇怪呢。
而且私下说，把乌克兰描绘成弱国十多年了，这可能本身就是个失败/问题。俄罗斯现在还陷在乌克兰一场长达三年的战争里，嗯……如果这场战争再持续一年、两年或三年，那可就太蠢了。
reallynewaccount
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Those who try to compare how weak/strong Russia vs UA always forget that in Russia if you get 20km from front line its absolutely "life as ususal". There is no war neither in terms of economics or media coverage. Yes there are some issues, but there are issues now everywhere.
In other words Russia fights against 1 mln+ NATO supported/armed coalition using "peace time" approach. So, yes army got bigger, military plants work 24/7, etc, but it's rather a "focus on war" than "all in war".
那些试图比较俄乌强弱的人总是忘了，在俄罗斯，只要离前线20公里，就完全是“一切照旧”。无论从经济上还是媒体报道上，那里都没有战争。是的，是有些问题，但现在哪里都有问题。
换句话说，俄罗斯正在用一种“和平时期”的方式，对抗着一个百万兵力以上、由北约支持/武装的联盟。所以，是的，军队规模变大了，军工厂在7*24小时运转等等，但这更像是“聚焦于战争”，而不是“全民皆战”。
WaysOfG
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Government is supportive of Russia but only barely.
The people varies but mostly just watching it for drama, not many people understand why Ukraine and Russia is beefing.
As for your question, well China is not supplying weapons, Russia hasn't asked for it, and I don't think Russia even needs Chinese weapons.
政府支持俄罗斯，但只是勉强支持。
民众态度各异，但大多数人只是当热闹看，没多少人明白乌克兰和俄罗斯为什么闹翻。
至于你的问题，嗯，中国没有提供武器，俄罗斯也没要求，而且我认为俄罗斯甚至不需要中国的武器。
BadBouncyBear
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They need North Korean and Iranian weapons, but not Chinese? I think they would LOVE weapons from China
他们需要朝鲜和伊朗的武器，但不需要中国的？我觉得他们会超爱来自中国的武器。
Familiar-City2530
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ego i believe. russians are a prideful people
我认为是自尊心作祟。俄罗斯人是个自负的民族。
GeologistOld1265
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Question is disinformation. China does not supply Russia with weapons.
这个问题本身就是虚假信息。中国没有向俄罗斯提供武器。
MegaMB
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At this point, it's pretty clear some Chinese companies do support Russia with some important components, including (especially?) On the drone sectore of things.
Which, givent that it's a military weapon developping at a fast paces right now, makes absolute sense. It sucks, and China is destroying it's reputation in Europe, but also provides some important return of experience and industrial base for the modernisation of it's forces in the drone age.
事到如今，很明显有些中国公司的确在为俄罗斯提供一些重要部件，尤其是在无人机领域。
鉴于无人机是目前发展迅速的一种军事武器，这完全说得通。这很糟糕，中国正在摧毁自己在欧洲的声誉，但这也为中国军队在无人机时代的现代化提供了重要的经验反馈和工业基础。
GeologistOld1265
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Components? May be. On other side NATO openly supply weapons, intelligence even tactical control.
You will not be able to name a single weapon system China provide.
部件？也许有。但另一方面，北约可是公开提供武器、情报甚至战术指挥。
你根本说不出任何一个中国提供的武器系统。
MegaMB
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Oh no, and I don't think I denied it. Except if you consider some vehicles on the frontlines as weapons. But at the same time, without Chinese motors, the Shahed drones currently bombarding Ukraine would not be there, or would be in muuuch smaller numbers.
And yes, full, hard agree with the NATO support, although US support is fledgling. Will not stop the EU support to continue for years if necessary. And if China wants to (dumbly) antigonize the EU on this matter, I do think it's pretty much a shame when it could use it to show the US are not the only alliance option, and we shouldn't follow them in case of a US-China confrontation.
哦不，我并不认为我否认了这一点。除非你把前线的一些车辆也算作武器。但同时，没有中国的马达，现在轰炸乌克兰的“见证者”无人机就不会存在，或者数量会少得多。
是的，我完全同意北约的支持，尽管美国的支持现在有些不稳。但如果有必要，欧盟的支持还会持续好几年。如果中国想在这件事上（愚蠢地）与欧盟为敌，我确实认为这很可惜，因为中国本可以利用这个机会来表明美国不是唯一的联盟选择，我们也不应该在美中对抗的情况下追随他们。
GeologistOld1265
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You still were not able to name a single weapon system China providing.
你还是说不出任何一个中国提供的武器系统。
liziqu
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Shameless question, China doesn't treat Russia and Ukraine differently, what it sells to Russia Ukraine is just as capable of buying because it's civilian equipment, not military products
真是个无耻的问题。中国对俄罗斯和乌克兰一视同仁，卖给俄罗斯的东西，乌克兰同样能买到，因为这些都是民用设备，不是军品。
joemc1972
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Yes they do.
不，他们没有一视同仁。
liziqu
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Are you insulting the world's number one industrialized country?If China supports Russian weapons then Ukraine will soon disappear from the map, what is now restraining the speed of Russian aggression is the speed of its feeble weapons manufacturing
你是在侮辱世界第一工业国吗？如果中国支持俄罗斯武器，那乌克兰很快就会从地图上消失。现在限制俄罗斯侵略速度的，是它自己那点可怜的武器制造速度。
No_Complex2964
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Probably not. China manufactures about the same amount of weapons as the United States. So no Ukraine would not cease to exist. The war would just enter a more very bloody bloody state.
大概不会。中国的武器产量和美国差不多。所以不，乌克兰不会消失。战争只会进入一个更加血腥的状态。
joemc1972
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I didn’t say China is pouring weapons in. They are providing limited support especially in the area of drones, spare parts etc. not main battle tanks etc
我没说中国在大量输送武器。他们只是在提供有限的支持，尤其是在无人机、零部件等领域，而不是主战坦克之类的。
piscator111
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We are not comfortable with Russia now wanting to annex entire Ukraine. However, given the fact EU calls China as a systematic threat, we are happy to watch Russia make EU squirm.
In the end, China’s leverage over Russia is extremely limited.
EU calling us enabler of Russia is pissing us off, the reality is the West’s military industrial complexes depend on our critical mineral exports, not Russia’s, Russia has all the resources it needs to wage war. We are now restricting critical mineral export to America and allies, tone down the belligerent impotence then talk.
我们对俄罗斯现在想吞并整个乌克兰感到不安。然而，鉴于欧盟称中国为系统性威胁，我们乐于看到俄罗斯让欧盟难受。
说到底，中国对俄罗斯的影响力极其有限。
欧盟说我们是俄罗斯的帮凶，这让我们很火大。现实是，西方的军工复合体依赖我们的关键矿产出口，而不是俄罗斯的。俄罗斯拥有发动战争所需的一切资源。我们现在正在限制对美国及其盟友的关键矿产出口，先收起你们那好战又无能的调子再来谈。
OgreSage
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EU is clearly not considering China a systemic threat... That'd be USA, which also considers EU as such.
EU instead is increasing exchanges and connection with China, openly rejecting US injunctions to do otherwise.
欧盟显然没有把中国视为系统性威胁……那说的是美国，美国也这么看欧盟。
相反，欧盟正在增加与中国的交流和联系，公开拒绝美国要求其改变做法的禁令。
piscator111
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Both EU and NATO have repeatedly said China is a systematic competitor/rival/adversary/threat. These are public statements by heads of EU and NATO
欧盟和北约都一再表示，中国是系统性的竞争者/对手/敌人/威胁。这些都是欧盟和北约首脑的公开声明。
OneNectarine1545
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The war in Ukraine has consumed so much of the West's focus that it has significantly reduced the pressure China faces over Taiwan. Moreover, as Russia's strength has waned since its invasion, Central Asia has fallen almost entirely into China's sphere of influence.
In my personal opinion, a US-Iran war would create the perfect opportunity for China to launch a conflict in the Taiwan Strait.
In this sense, Putin, Zelenskyy, Khamenei, Netanyahu, Biden, and Trump are—in effect—China's greatest benefactors. It is thanks to them that the future for China's reunification with Taiwan looks brighter than ever.
乌克兰战争消耗了西方太多的精力，以至于大大减轻了中国在台湾（地区）问题上面临的压力。此外，随着俄罗斯入侵后实力减弱，中亚几乎完全落入中国的势力范围。
我个人认为，一场美伊战争将为中国在台湾（地区）海峡发动冲突创造完美时机。
从这个意义上说，普京、泽连斯基、哈梅内伊、内塔尼亚胡、拜登和特朗普——实际上都是中国的最大恩人。多亏了他们，中国与台湾（地区）统一的未来才看起来比以往任何时候都更加光明。
salty-all-the-thyme
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When I heard the news I got to work all like “mahn , crazy stuff. Russia is being an ass about this” kind of ignorantly assuming the Chinese media was giving the same narrative as I was fed.
And then I was absolutely bombarded by all my Chinese colleagues about how it’s Ukraines fault this whole thing started and they got proper fiery about it , needless to say I stoped that conversation dead in its tracks.
当我听到这个消息时，我还去上班，无知地以为中国媒体的叙事和我接触到的一样，还说什么“天啊，太疯狂了。俄罗斯这么做真是个混蛋”。
结果我立刻被所有中国同事围攻，他们都说这整件事都是乌克兰的错，而且说得义愤填膺。不用说，我当场就结束了这个话题。
Jazzlike_Initial8782
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Most people I know don't really care as it doesn't affect their daily life.
我认识的大多数人其实并不关心，因为它不影响他们的日常生活。
Massive-Raise-2805
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Many people sympathize with Ukrainian but after all it's not our war. So people just kinda watch how things go.
Not to mention that our drone industry is making a killing for supplying both sides
很多人同情乌克兰，但毕竟这不是我们的战争。所以大家就看看热闹，观望事情会如何发展。
更不用说，我们的无人机产业因为向双方供货而大赚特赚。
Not_a_real_plebbitor
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Only the most braindead and geopolitically clueless in China would support the american proxy known as ukraine against Russia. Not many of these people left in 2025 and none of them are taken seriously here.
But reddit being an american controlled site will show you a different narrative for sure.
在中国，只有那些最没脑子、对地缘政治最无知的人才会支持美国代理人（也就是乌克兰）去对抗俄罗斯。到了2025年，这种人已经剩不下多少了，而且在这里没人会把他们当回事。
但Reddit作为一个美国控制的网站，肯定会给你展示一种不同的说法。
solar1ze
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American proxy? This is laughable. None of Russia’s neighbours want anything to do with them because of their history of oppression and brutality.
美国的代理人？真可笑。俄罗斯的邻国没有一个想和他们扯上关系，就是因为他们压迫和残暴的历史。
CptPicard
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Ok, so are let's say Estonians and the Finns "American proxies"? Just to expand on this thinking a bit...
好吧，那么照这么说，爱沙尼亚人和芬兰人也是“美国的代理人”吗？只是想把这个思路稍微延伸一下……
Not_a_real_plebbitor
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Are they in a proxy war against Russia at the moment?
他们现在正和俄罗斯打代理人战争吗？
2beHero
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Putin literally said a few days ago that Moldova, then the Baltics are next. He said that 'russia is anywhere where his soldier walks'.
普京几天前确实说了，下一个是摩尔多瓦，然后是波罗的海国家。他说‘俄罗斯士兵所到之处，皆为俄罗斯’。
Not_a_real_plebbitor
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When you make shit up you get ignored
你要是这么胡说八道，就没人理你了。
Reddit_BroZar
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My Chinese friends are divided into two major groups:
1. Traditional Russia supporters,
2. Political realism fans (do not necessarily support Putin but viewing the conflict as yet another attempt by the West to expand its influence and using Ukraine as a proxy in a larger geopolitical fight).
我的中国朋友主要分为两大类：
1. 传统的俄罗斯支持者。
2. 政治现实主义爱好者（他们不一定支持普京，但认为这场冲突是西方试图扩大影响力的又一次尝试，并将乌克兰作为更大地缘政治斗争中的代理人）。
Top-Fig-8846
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From a Chinese perspective (so are my parents'): Sort of like a civil war between siblings, shared language, same ethnicity.... two countries that once belonged to the same family, the Soviet unx, now fighting for the legacy to be inherited or something.... Very difficult to judge from an outsider's angle, dont wanna learn too much either, so.... as the neighbor we'd better stay away.
从一个中国人的视角来看（我父母也是这么看）：这有点像兄弟间的内战，语言相通，种族相同……两个曾同属苏联大家庭的国家，现在为了继承遗产之类的东西而打起来……从外人的角度很难评判，也不想了解太多，所以……作为邻居，我们最好还是离远点。
Alaska-Kid
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One of the relatives started stealing from the family business, then he made friends with criminals, got into microloans and a little bit of drugs. What could go wrong, heh.
有个亲戚开始偷家里的生意，然后他交了些罪犯朋友，搞上了小额贷款，还沾了点毒品。这能出什么岔子呢，呵呵。
larktok
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For the vast majority of Chinese, “none of our business”
对绝大多数中国人来说，“与我们无关”。
MegaMB
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The fact China (and most Chinese people) see things this way is pretty surprising as a european. You guys had a golden opportunity to break NATO and turn Europe and the EU towards a much more pro-Chinese stance. Probably enough to ensure a healthy neutrality.
作为一个欧洲人，看到中国（和大多数中国人）这样看待事情，我感到非常惊讶。你们曾有一个绝佳的机会来瓦解北约，并让欧洲和欧盟转向一个更亲华的立场。这或许足以确保一种健康的战略中立。
meiguobisi
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Haha, Europe is now like a coquettish 80-year-old woman, saying to China, a young and strong man: I will give you a chance to please me and prove that you really love me, so that I will consider dating you.
哈哈，欧洲现在就像一个搔首弄姿的80岁老太太，对中国这个年轻力壮的小伙子说：我给你一个取悦我的机会，证明你真的爱我，这样我才会考虑和你交往。
MegaMB
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Welcome to the real world, where Europe is indeed a continent of democracies, and where power and what makes people ally or not to other countries are the soft power and popular opinions.
If you don't think it's credible or true, no problems. But don't go ranting in a few years if the european populations end up supporting the US in a future US-China conflict.
欢迎来到现实世界，在这里，欧洲确实是一个由民主国家组成的大陆，权力以及让人们结盟与否的因素是软实力和民意。
如果你不认为这是可信或真实的，没问题。但如果几年后，欧洲民众最终在未来的美中冲突中支持美国，你可别到时候再咆哮。
meiguobisi
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It doesn't matter. Europe can choose to be a vassal of the United States. China has never expected you to have the right to make independent decisions. At present, Russia is confronting Europe, and China is confronting the United States. It can be regarded as a fair 2V2 confrontation.
Europe supports China, so what? Does Europe dare to oppose the United States for its own interests?
Europe opposes China, so what? Do you plan to cross half the world and open up a second battlefield in Asia?
无所谓。欧洲可以选择做美国的附庸。中国从没指望你们有权做出独立决定。目前是俄罗斯对抗欧洲，中国对抗美国，可以算是一场公平的2V2对抗。
欧洲支持中国，又能怎样？欧洲敢为了自己的利益反对美国吗？
欧洲反对中国，又能怎样？你们打算跨越半个地球，在亚洲开辟第二战场吗？
shopchin
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Why does C suck it up or so afraid of offending Russia? Remember Vladivostok?
C is pretending like it never happened as compared to how aggressively they are annexing foreign land in the South C Sea themselves.
If you look at the 9 dash line map, you will realize how ridiculous it is. It literally goes up to the shorelines of smaller nations.
为什么C要忍气吞声，或者说那么怕得罪俄罗斯？还记得符拉迪沃斯托克（海参崴）吗？
C假装这事从没发生过，而相比之下，他们自己在南海却在咄咄逼人地吞并外国土地。
如果你看看九段线地图，你就会意识到它有多荒谬。它几乎都划到了小国的海岸线上了。
InternationalCat3714
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You haven't figured out the main contradiction and the secondary contradiction. Is China's main external contradiction now the territorial contradiction with Russia or the contradiction with the West? Regarding the nine-dash line in the South China Sea, it was not originally drawn by the People's Republic of China, but by the Republic of China supported by the West. At first, there was an 11-dash line. After the civil war, the Chinese com...st Party came to power and naturally inherited the ROC's claims in the South China Sea. China and Ho Chi Minh were friendly and two dashes were removed from the eleven dashes. Taiwan retained the eleven-dash line claim to the South China Sea. When the lines were drawn, there were no so-called "neighboring countries" today. At that time, they were all overseas territories of Western countries. The 11-dash line was also recognized by Western countries. It is impossible for China to cede territory to them just because they became independent from Western countries in a few years. This is unrealistic.
你还没搞清楚主要矛盾和次要矛盾。现在中国主要的外部矛盾是和俄罗斯的领土矛盾，还是和西方的矛盾？关于南海九段线，它最初不是新中国划的，而是西方支持的“中华民国”划的。起初是十一段线。内战后，中共上台，自然继承了“中华民国”在南海的主张。后来中国和胡志明关系友好，就从十一段线里去掉了两段。而台湾（地区）保留了对南海的十一段线主张。当年划线的时候，还没有今天这些所谓的“邻国”。那时它们都是西方国家的海外领地。十一段线也得到了西方国家的承认。中国不可能因为它们几年后从西方国家独立了，就把领土割让给它们。这不现实。
