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拜登政府要求 TikTok 必须出售其在美国业务的股份,否则可能面临在美国被禁的风险。

The Biden administration demands that TikTok be sold, or risk a nationwide ban
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红迪网友:安全并不是问题,问题是他们不能让一个中国公司消灭硅谷技术垄断的竞争。这是为了保护我们的亿万富翁霸主的利益。
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varisophy

How about we just write some solid consumer privacy laws that address everyone's concern about TikTok?

Oh wait, that would cripple our nation's social media companies to do what TikTok does. Can't have that ??

我们怎么样制定一些扎实的消费者隐私法,以解决每个人对TikTok的担忧?

哦等等,那会让我们国家的社交媒体公司无法像TikTok那样运营。不能这样

AwfullySweeney

The absolute cheek of people creating a diversion from your point:

We need consumer privacy laws so that US consumers are not one checkbox away from signing away a bunch of data advertisers can use to target them. It's a thing that most people never even think about, what that information could be used for if the motive wasn't profit. What if it was for ruin?

Definitely seems like a lot of free services in the US would no longer be free if we could no longer be so easily harvested.

有些人从你的观点上制造了一个转移话题的假象,真是太可恶了:

我们需要消费者隐私法,以使美国消费者不会因为一个复选框而签署一堆广告商可以用来针对他们的数据。对于大多数人来说,他们甚至从未考虑过,如果动机不是利润,那些信息可能被用于什么目的。如果是为了毁灭,那该怎么办呢?

如果我们不能再轻松地收集信息,那么美国的许多免费服务肯定不再免费了。

dudius7

I was thinking about how Meta would love if Reels replaced TikTok.

我在想Meta会很喜欢如果Reels取代TikTok。

hummelm10

Yup. Stop focusing on attempting to ban specific technologies from specific countries. Focus on data privacy and consumer protection and it will have the secondary effect of restricting TikTok. Our regulations are a joke and piecemeal in the US. Instead we have representatives tweeting about how they want life sentences for all cybercrime when I doubt they can even describe what cybercrime is.

是的。停止专注于试图禁止特定国家的特定技术。关注数据隐私和消费者保护,这将具有限制TikTok的次要影响。我们的监管在美国是一个笑话,是一块一块拼凑而成的。相反,我们有代表发推文,声称他们想让所有网络犯罪都被判终身监禁,当我怀疑他们甚至无法描述什么是网络犯罪时。

RockieK

Came here to say exactly this.

我来到这里就是要说这个的。

JaesopPop

There isn’t going to be a “solid consumer privacy law” that would address the concerns with TikTok.

不会有“扎实的消费者隐私法”来解决TikTok的问题。

_angryguy_

Security is not the concern, the concern is that they can't have a Chinese company wiping the competition against Silicon Valley tech monopolies. This is about protectign the interest of our billionaire overlords.

安全并不是问题,问题是他们不能让一个中国公司消灭硅谷技术垄断的竞争。这是为了保护我们的亿万富翁霸主的利益。

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DinoPhartz

To keep TikTok available in the US we should insist that the Chinese stop blocking Twitter, Facebook, Google etc. That way everybody can be equally stupid.

为了让 TikTok 在美国继续可用,我们应该坚持要求中国停止屏蔽 Twitter、Facebook、Google 等网站。这样每个人都能同样地变得愚蠢。

hzhzz

Maybe so, but at least its fair. China's been banning so many things for decades. Finally teach them a lesson

也许是这样,但至少这是公平的。中国已经禁止了很多东西几十年了。终于可以给他们上一课了。

poopoomergency4

we should insist that the Chinese stop blocking Twitter, Facebook, Google etc

or we could just pass some real data privacy laws in this country, that apply to all social media. it's glaringly obvious why the boomers who run the government aren't pushing for a real solution here.

我们应该坚持要求中国停止屏蔽 Twitter、Facebook、Google 等网站,或者我们可以在这个国家通过一些适用于所有社交媒体的真正的数据隐私法律。很明显,掌管政府的老人们为什么不推动一个真正的解决方案,这是非常显然的。

ChristianBen

Do you seriously think people in China don’t use social media and/or banning social media is a good thing?

你真的认为中国人不使用社交媒体或者禁止社交媒体是一件好事吗?

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muttonbarley

Because we only want US based companies spying on us, right?

因为我们只想让总部位于美国的公司监视我们,对吧?

IAmJohnny5ive

Yes I'm only comfortable with Google and Microsoft and Amazon and Facebook and Reddit and the NSA knowing my life's every detail.

是的,我只有在Google、Microsoft、Amazon、Facebook、Reddit和NSA知道我生活的每一个细节时才感到舒适。

WarmanHopple

Like they wouldn’t sell the info to China anyways.

Our current laws don’t even get followed or enforced.

他们不会把信息卖给中国吗?

我们现行的法律甚至都没有被遵守或执行。

Spara-Extreme

You're being glib. There's strong evidence that the CCP uses tiktok to push specific messaging.

Edit: lot of folks addicted to tiktok, apparently.

你太轻率了。有强有力的证据表明,中国共产党利用TikTok传递特定的信息。

编辑:显然有很多人对TikTok上瘾。

hegotthedream

Dam right its the American way

没错,这就是美式方式。

InvaderCrux

Stop defending tiktok. It, alongside YouTube, instagram and snapchat, has done a number on people's attention spans thanks to its fast-paced treadmill content.

停止为TikTok辩护。它和YouTube、Instagram和Snapchat一样,通过快节奏的内容摧毁了人们的注意力。

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khorijinn

Has the government been able to analyze what the app is sending back to China beyond the videos?

政府能分析这个应用程序除了视频之外发送给中国的数据吗?

alou87

This. I’d love an analysis and report of just what kinds of data has been harvested that poses a national security risk.

没错。我想看到一个分析报告,报告哪些数据被收集并构成了国家安全风险。

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Aramedlig

Musk missed a great opportunity to buy Tik Tok when he wasted his money on Twitter

马斯克浪费钱在Twitter上时,错过了购买TikTok的绝佳机会。

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jayfeather31

That's a bit extreme, and potentially a significant point of contention with the 18-35 demographic.

Why rock the boat to this degree?

这有点极端了,可能会引起18-35岁人群的争议。

何必把船摇成这样呢?

deadsoulinside

That's a bit extreme, and potentially a significant point of contention with the 18-35 demographic.

You got the idea. This is also the same demographic that republicans have been complaining about not wanting them to vote at all. TikTok to them is seen as only a liberal agenda and helping turn more people into liberals.

你想到了。这也是共和党一直抱怨不想让这些人投票的人口群体。对他们来说,TikTok只被视为自由派议程,帮助更多人变成自由派。

SongofHappyMan

Because it is a national security risk. Having the 18-35 population controlled by china's algorithm is very bad.

因为这是国家安全风险。让18-35岁的人被中国的算法控制非常糟糕。

Kaidyn04

between this and the student loan fiasco, it's gonna be Trump 2024 guaranteed. Democrats the masters of grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.

由于这件事和学生贷款问题,特朗普肯定会在2024年当选。民主党经常在胜利即将到手时失败,他们是失败的高手。

PlayingTheWrongGame

It’s a significant national security risk.

这是一个重大的国家安全风险。

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SissyFreeLove

While we do need stronger overall data protection and privacy laws, tiktok or any company owned in a country that literaly must work in lockstep with the government or else face govt takeover, is a clear danger and should be the first domino.1

虽然我们确实需要更强大的整体数据保护和隐私法律,但是TikTok或任何在一个必须与政府密切合作的国家拥有的公司,否则将面临政府接管的国家,是明显的危险,应该成为第一个牵动的多米诺骨牌。

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Gobucks21911

Oracle?! Come on….they’re infamous for bungling government projects! Could they find nobody else?

Oracle(甲骨文,是全球最大的信息管理软件及服务供应商)?拜托……他们以搞砸政府项目而臭名昭著!他们找不到其他人吗?

munkyxtc

I'd rather China have my information than Larry Ellison!

我宁愿把我的信息给中国,也不要给拉里·埃里森(Larry Ellison)是世界上最大数据库软件公司甲骨文的老板!

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lorddoa

Is Google, Apple, Meta, Reddit, etc next? A little hypocritical to ban one country from spying when home grown corporations are doing it as well

谷歌、苹果、Meta、Reddit等公司会是下一个被禁止的对象吗?禁止一个国家从事间谍活动的做法有点虚伪,因为本土公司也在从事这样的活动。

JaesopPop

Is Google, Apple, Meta, Reddit, etc next? A little hypocritical to ban one country from spying when home grown corporations are doing it as well

The issue is not their gathering data in the same way those companies are. It’s the likelihood this data is shared with the government, as well as the idea that China can shape the algorithm of a very popular social media application.

问题不在于它们以与这些公司相同的方式收集数据,而在于这些数据被分享给政府的可能性,以及中国能够塑造一个非常受欢迎的社交媒体应用程序的算法的想法。

radewagon

Is it though? I don't agree with the level of privacy being stripped away either, but I'm not going to pretend that there's anything hypocritical about someone being okay with domestic spying but not okay with foreign spying. There's a pretty significant difference from the government's perspective.

真的吗?我也不同意被剥夺的隐私程度,但我不会假装有人能够容忍国内间谍活动而不容忍外国间谍活动,这在政府的角度来看有相当大的区别。

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OmEGaDeaLs

I don't get it wasn't this Trump's policy? This sounds so stupid.

我不明白,这不是特朗普的政策吗?这听起来太愚蠢了。

Tampeezy

It is stupid

这太愚蠢了。

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Tampeezy

Biden is getting played. This could potentially lose him the young voters next election. The GenZ are the ones that saved us from A red wave during the midterms. Where do you think they're getting their news from? And all of the other social media companies are frothing at the mouth in anticipation for the little tiki toki scraps to fall at their feet. 2024 is starting to smell like another 2016 to me and I'm not happy about it.

拜登被玩弄了。这可能会让他失去年轻选民的支持,在下一次选举中受损。 GenZ(是指1995-2005年之间出生的青少年)是在中期选举期间挽救我们免受红色浪潮侵袭的那些人。你认为他们从哪里获取新闻?所有其他社交媒体公司都在期待获得小小的TikTok碎片。对我来说,2024年看起来像另一个2016年,我对此感到不满。

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EverVig47

What is the price going to be?

Those Chinese would jump at anything close to $100 mil and Musk must be hitting himself.

价格会是多少呢?

那些中国人只要价格接近一亿美元就会毫不犹豫地跳进来,马斯克一定会后悔得不得了。

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odraencoded

Wonder if Europe could ask the same about US social media.

不知道欧洲是否也可以就美国社交媒体提出同样的要求。

JaesopPop

They could make the same demands, sure. There’s obviously less concern there because the US government isn’t as directly involved with businesses as China is.

他们可以提出同样的要求,当然。显然,这里的担忧会少一些,因为美国政府与企业的关系没有中国那么直接。

cficare

Are you saying that all (or any) US social media is controlled by our government for gain on the world stage?

你是在说所有(或任何)美国社交媒体都是由我们的政府控制以谋求在世界舞台上的利益吗?

Twio

The UK just banned tiktok on government devices.

英国刚刚禁止在政府设备上使用TikTok。

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NinJesterV

If we're not going to take on all the technology that is turning children into screen-fiends, what good does this do? This isn't about China.

Ban algorithms that prey on the human mind's propensity for addiction. Ban anonymous, public social media for children. Ban data-based profit and mandate the right to be forgotten. Anything less is wrong.

如果我们不打算应对正在将孩子们变成屏幕上瘾者的所有技术,那么这有什么用呢?这与中国无关。

禁止那些利用人类上瘾倾向的算法。禁止儿童使用匿名的公共社交媒体。禁止基于数据的利润,并规定有被遗忘权。任何不做到这些的行为都是错误的。

ShirtStainedBird

I’d like to see it all gone the way of the dinosaur and blockbuster. So many people who’s company I used to enjoy have brains made of mush from looking at fucking Facebook.

我希望这些技术全部像恐龙和租赁店一样被淘汰。有太多我曾经喜欢交往的人因为看着该死的Facebook而大脑变得模糊。

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Vomitbelch

I guess people forgot all about Vine, lol. Something else will replace TikTok if it gets banned. We need better privacy laws and the people who enforce those laws need to be able to hit the companies that break them really hard.

我猜人们都忘记了Vine了,哈哈。如果TikTok被禁止,肯定会有其他东西来取而代之。我们需要更好的隐私法律,执法者需要有能力强烈打击那些违反这些法律的公司。(Vine是一款曾经非常受欢迎的短视频社交应用程序)

GroblyOverrated

Tik Tok used to be a fun app with goofy vids.

Now all I see are Russian and Chinese propoganda and conspiracies and UFO nutters.

I'm ready for it to be banned.

Tik Tok曾经是一个有趣的应用程序,有很多幽默的视频。

现在我看到的都是俄罗斯和中国的宣传、阴谋论和不切实际的UFO视频。

我准备卸载它。

Infidel_Art

That's the entire internet though. I do content moderation for a company and its pretty much always Russian propaganda videos. Banning tiktok won't do anything.

然而这就是整个互联网。我为一家公司进行内容审核,几乎总是俄罗斯的宣传视频。禁止TikTok不会有任何作用。

alou87

Bruh, that’s your algorithm. What have you been searching to get that? 

兄弟,那是你的算法。你搜索了什么来看到这些的?
原文地址:https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/11sjdvq/the_biden_administration_demands_that_tiktok_be/

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