中国承建的印尼高铁超出预算20亿美元

BLT

Let me expn the reason. The overrun was caused by the land acquisition budget increase. So the deal between the 2 countries was only for the infrastructures and mechanicals of the project. For the lands, that was totally up for Indonesia to provide. In the middle of the progress, Indonesia asked China to increase the loan to fund the land acquisition increase, but China declined. Later Indonesia funded the land acquisition with their own budget.

我来解释一下原因。超支是由于征地预算增加造成的。因此，两国之间的协议只涉及项目的基础设施和机械。至于土地，完全由印尼提供。在谈判进行到一半时，印尼要求中国增加贷款，为增加土地购置提供资金，但中国拒绝了。后来，印尼用自己的预算为征地提供了资金。

Wirat Adi Nugraha

In my oion budget overrun on high speed railway, especially for first time build, were something cannot be avoided. When Japan build Tokaido Shinkansen, the first Shinkansen network, the budget were ballooned four times even enough to force CEO and Technical Chief of Japanese National Railway at that time to resign, yet Shinkansen was hugely successful albeit the price is the huge de t of JNR leading to privatisation into JR Group.

在我看来，高铁预算超支，尤其是首次建设，是无法避免的。日本建东海道新干线，第一个新干线网络时，预算膨胀了四倍，甚至足以迫使当时的日本国家铁路局首席执行官和技术主管辞职，但新干线是非常成功的，尽管代价是日本国有铁路背负巨额债务，导致私有化为JR集团。

Francisco CZ

This is very common in big projects.

Also there is no mention in the video that China agreed to give them the technology of the bullet train so Indonesia could build their own and also sell it to others.

So it´s a big win for Indonesia.

预算超支在大型项目中非常常见。

视频中没有提到中国同意给印尼提供高铁技术，这样印尼可以自己建造高铁，然后卖给其他国家。所以这对印尼来说是一个巨大的胜利。

Zerg Cerebrates

This is minor, and these things unfortunately happen with huge projects. It is not like Indonesia couldn't pay for it. The California HSR budget was suppose to be $33 billion but it is now over $100 billion with no end in sight. It took California ten years just to plan the project and now they're connecting two insignificant cities in CA talk about poor planning and lack of budget. China at least will get this project completed whatever the cost.

这不算多，不幸的是，大型项目中经常发生这种事。印尼并不是付不起这笔钱。加州高铁预算原本是330亿美元，但现在已经超过了1000亿美元，而且还看不到尽头。加州花了10年的时间来规划这个项目，现在他们正在连接加州两个不起眼的城市，谈论糟糕的规划和预算短缺。无论花费多少，中国至少会完成这个项目。

hrer

I think it's to be expected. If you know the history of Japan's first bullet train, that too ran wayyy over budget.

我认为这是意料之中的。如果你了解日本第一辆子弹头列车的历史，你会发现它也远远超出了预算。

Erni Julia Kok

As an Indonesian taxpayer, I am supporting this visionary project, I would say "shame on those who po itize this issue to make Mr. Jokowi looks bad!" But reading the comments warmed up my heart, most of them have clear thinking, and are knowledgeable when writing their comment. Thank you for your support.

作为一名印尼纳税人，我支持这个有远见的项目，那些把这个问题政治化，让佐科维先生难堪的人真可耻

但看了评论，我的心暖暖的，他们大多思路清晰，写评论的时候很有见识。谢谢你们的支持。

Martin Santoso

I guess overrun is normal. In every big project 10-25% budget overrun can happen due to delayed in materials, increase in man hours, and so on. They should have allocated such budget when that happens. Even as small as house renovation project, such overrun is expected.

我想超支是正常的。在每个大型项目中，10-25%的预算超支可能是由于材料的延迟、工时的增加等原因造成的。当这种情况发生时，他们应该划拨这样的预算。即使是很小的房屋改造工程，也会出现这样的超支现象。

Bomber Man

with recent Globle inflations, 2B is reasonable, and they actually doing great. Look all the major projects around the world, they are always over budgets even in peace time and low inflation

考虑到最近的全球通货膨胀，超出20亿是合理的，而且他们实际上做得很好。看看世界上所有的大型项目，即使在和平时期和低通胀时期，也总是超出预算

Jag Wagner

Congrats! Decent budget, in Germany they are renovating one train station with this amount (estimated cost today). And it is overdue for decades…

恭喜！这预算不错了，在德国，他们翻新一个火车站也要用这么多钱，现在估的成本。而且拖了几十年了……

Sonn

For those who may think indonesia will ended up in china’s de t trap., fortunately it will never happen

想对那些认为印尼最终会落入中国债 务陷阱的人说，幸运的是，这永远不会发生

Mrs Farzana

It's quite normal for a country with such diverse landscape to cost more in order to complete a megaproject.

对于一个景观如此多样的国家来说，为了完成一个大型项目而多花点钱是很正常的。

notsogoodbad

I don't know anything about the cost of the project but the train looks so beautiful and smooth ride

我不知道这个项目的成本，但列车看起来很漂亮，坐起来很平稳

Cute and Funny Earthlings

Inflation, wages, energy costs etc have gone up sharply in the last 2 years, thats nothing compared to UK's HS2 project where budget have gone up by £30 billions ouch.

通货膨胀、工资、能源成本等在过去两年急剧上升，这和英国高铁HS2项目相比根本不算什么，英国HS2项目的预算增加了300亿英镑。

Quddus Sm

Going over budget is pretty normal for project such this, shinkansen has the same problem too at first but look how far they've gone, this is also pretty ch compare to any other country. I do believe these are all just short term effect that'll be outweight by it's long term effect in the future

对这样的项目来说，超出预算是很正常的，新干线一开始也有同样的问题，但看看他们走了多远，与其他国家相比，这也是相当便宜的。我相信这些都只是短期的影响，未来的长期影响会超过这些影响

SSR 14

That’s actually really impressive. California bullet train is over budget by over $80 billion and counting.

这确实令人印象深刻。加州高铁超出预算800亿美元，而且还在增加。

Ri An

I don't know why SCMP make this news when its not even made a headline in Indonesia. Budget overrun is not surprise for us, we already knew this from the begng of the pandemic when the project got delayed. PT. KAI, Indonesian railway company, made estimation of overrun cost about 1,1B - 1,9B, but its not final yet because the audit is still ongoing.

我不知道为什么《南华早报》会发布这条新闻，这在印尼甚至都没上过头条。预算超支对我们来说并不奇怪，我们从疫情开始时就知道这一点，当时项目被推迟。印尼铁路公司PT. KAI估计超支成本约为11 - 19亿，但这还不是最终结果，因为审计仍在进行中。

Kam sun Leong

The California high speed rail project has exceeded the original budget by almost USD50 billion. And its not even half completed. So 2 billion is small change  especially when it's about to commence operations.

加州高铁项目已经超出原预算近500亿美元，项目甚至还没有完成一半。所以20亿是一个小数目，而且项目即将开始运作。

Eric Z

Too many raw materials have soared in price this year.

今年原材料价格飙升太多了。

RG

Chinese company : there is $1B overrun, unfortunately

Indonesian Gov: No, it is $2B. $1B for the train, and another $1B for...... "administrative overheads and another necessary expenses"

中国公司：不幸的是，超支10亿美元

印尼政府：不，是20亿美元。10亿美元买列车，另外10亿美元是行政管理费用及其他必要费用

Shaun Diz

Sounds like it's only around 27% over budget. That's not bad.  I'm working on an rical substation where our budget was $800M and now it's approaching $1.5B lol

听起来只超出预算27%，不算多。我们正在建一个变电站，预算是8亿美元，现在接近15亿美元了，哈哈

S P I D E R

Meanwhile Californian high-speed railway overruns more than a whop 30 billion.

与此同时，加州高铁超支超过了300亿美元。

KaplingMagnum

Way cher than Californian high speed railway project.

比加州高铁项目便宜多了。

Feer Free

the train was built during the time where there is no covid and the world is overall quite in bnce and a more peaceful time than 2022, but 2billion is nothing compared to what other country's similar project overburget cost, I just hope that Indonesian that hear this will not riot or hate china for this

高铁是在没有发生新冠疫情的时候开始建造的，世界总体平衡，比2022年更和平，但与其他国家类似项目的超支成本相比，20亿美元根本不算什么。我只希望印尼人不会因此而憎恨中国

Travel Explorer

Quite common with such huge projects actually.

实际上，对于这种大型项目，超支很常见。

MrWETE86

Speed up the opening & start high speed railways service ASAP without delay so that their operations slowly pay up overall costs & encourage people to use public transportation.

加快开通高铁，要尽快，不要拖延，运营高铁，慢慢回本，鼓励人们搭乘公共交通。

Topz

this project is cooperation between 2 countries, not country A help country B but so many troll comments say de t trap and bankrupt

这个项目是两个国家之间的合作，不是A国帮助B国，但很多评论说债 务陷阱和破产

Mis Trgn

.... it's always  like  that....

but don't worry Indonesian will make it happen....

超支总有发生，但别担心，印尼人会让它完工的

AUDIFAN

The budget overrun is caused by increase in the cost of land acquisition. And u don have to be a genius to see who is behind it.....

预算超支是因为征地成本增加。大家都知道谁是幕后黑手

Andi Rustam

The Covid-19 pandemic slows the completion of the Jakarta-Bandung high-speed rail project for two years and makes costs swell

新冠疫情导致雅万高铁项目的完工时间推迟了两年，导致成本飙升

brian Siev

For a project this size, I think 2 billion is just a peanut after reviewing other HSR projects in other parts of world.

环顾世界各地的高铁项目后，我认为20亿美元对于这样一个规模的项目来说微不足道。

Meritocracy

It is much better than the HSR that Japan is hel Vietnam to build. Scheduled completion year: 2045.

这比日本帮越南建造的高铁好多了，计划完工年份：2045年。