YouTube话题讨论：为什么德国承诺的武器没有送到乌克兰？

Volodymyr Zelenskyy says Ukraine has begun what he calls a historic week. With fighting raging on in the Donbas, the Ukrainian President has predicted that Russia will likely intensify its attacks in the coming days. His warning comes as Kyiv awaits a landmark decision from European unx leaders on its bid for candidate status.

泽连斯基表示，乌克兰开始了他所谓的历史性的一周。随着顿巴斯战斗的激烈进行，乌克兰总统预计俄罗斯可能会在未来几天加强袭击。他发出这一警告之际，基辅正在等待欧盟领导人就其争取候选者身份做出具有里程碑意义的决定。

Top Ukrainian officials say they need a massive increase of military hardware if they are to drive Russian forces out of their country. Right now western allies have supplied Ukraine with just over 100 howitzers - only one tenth of what Ukraine says it needs.

乌克兰高级官员表示，如果要将俄罗斯军队赶出乌克兰，他们需要大量增加军事装备。目前，西方盟国只向乌克兰提供了100多门榴弹炮——这只是乌克兰所说的需求量的十分之一。

And no rocket launchers have arrived, even though Ukraine has asked for 300 of them. DW’s Nick Connolly reports from the frontlines in the southern Mykolaiv region, where Ukrainian forces are making some advances despite a shortage of equipment.

尽管乌克兰要求得到300台火箭发射器，但没有一台运到。DW记者尼克·康诺利在南部麦可莱夫地区的前线报道，尽管装备短缺，乌克兰军队仍取得了一些进展。

Ralph Raffles
It seems Scandinavian countries, Netherlands and Eastern European countries, as well as the U.K. are keeping their promised deliveries.

北欧国家、荷兰、东欧国家以及英国似乎都遵守了承诺。

kukul roukul
Denmark is their champion by FAR !

丹麦目前是其中的冠军!

Romana Masnikosa
it is far from enough.
thank.God

远远不够。
额滴神。

Darth Mucus
If you need more Javelins, you can buy them off the internet. They are going for 30k a pop in the darkweb. Looks like the aid is being "delivered at the front, and sold out the back". I′ll give a cookie to who gets the reference.

如果你们需要更多标枪，可以在网上买。他们打算在暗网里卖三万块一枚。看起来这次援助是“表面说送，其实是卖”。谁能拿到参考资料，我就给谁一块饼干。

Nelson Swanberg
@Darth Mucus Liquior in the front. Poker in the rear.

@Darth Mucus 前面笑嘻嘻，后面板脸皮。

Archer Cillian
All the hardware they delivering have a short life cycle before needing maintenance.

他们交付的所有硬件都只剩下很短的生命周期，需要维护。

Its the reason Russia always sending in new hardware because you have to cycle out used hardware for maintenance.

这就是俄罗斯总是派出新硬件的原因，因为使用旧硬件总是要反复做维护。

tldr; you cant fight a war on donations

靠捐赠是打不了仗的。

M A
? @Darth Mucus I didn't expect anything else from Ukraine, one of the most currupt countries in the World.

? @Darth Mucus 乌克兰是世界上最腐败的国家之一，这种事情不出所料。

Mitch Miller
Good. They are next door... .they should!

好。他们就在隔壁……他们应该帮忙!

Mitch Miller
@M A do u live there ruskie?

@M A 你生活在那里吗？俄国佬？

Tamiki
Actions speak louder than words!

事实胜于雄辩。

Bee Cool
So why are you not fighting on the front lines ? Actions speak louder than words, don't they ?

那你为什么不在前线作战呢? 事实胜于雄辩，不是吗?

The Reality Filter
Actions speak louder than words? Says the kid from his parents basement...

事实胜于雄辩? 从父母地下室出来的孩子有脸说这种话……

kukul roukul
ACTIONS AND REACTIONS too :)

有行动，也有反应。

ANTY SPI
There is truth to that. Ukraine wants hundreds of artillery pieces and gets a few dozens. It doesn′t matter who is fulfilling which pledge. The pledges themselves are hilariously insufficient.

这是事实。乌克兰想要几百门火炮，却只得到了几十门。谁履行哪个承诺并不重要。可笑的是，承诺本身都不够。

Bee Cool
@ANTY SPI What's hilarious is Ukraine's demands : they are asking for 500 tanks, wich is more tanks than the total number of tanks Germany and UK have put together....

@ANTY SPI 搞笑的是乌克兰的要求：他们要500辆坦克，比德国和英国的坦克总数加起来还多……

Panbaneesha
I think what needs to be overcome by our German government (or at least our chancellor) is the tendency to stick one's fingers in one's ears, sing "lalala" and pretend the problem isn't there in hopes it goes away.

我认为我们的德国政府(或者至少我们的总理)需要克服的是这样一种倾向：用手指堵住自己的耳朵，唱“啦啦啦”，假装问题不存在，希望它会自行消失。

Abhishek
The problem isnt actually their...Russia dosen't have a problem with EUROPE or Germany

实际上这又不是他们的问题……俄罗斯跟欧洲或德国没有发生矛盾。

NetterDrachen
If you mean the threat of a potential nuclear war, then I agree with you.

如果你指的是潜在的核战争威胁，那么我同意你的看法。

Sergeyspb2009
because the Russian army destroyed these weapons during transportation or immediately after receiving, the first one was enough to be destroyed

因为在这些武器运输过程中或在乌克兰接收后，俄罗斯军队立即将其摧毁了，一发入魂。

Rhys Bridges - AppStratum
I totally agree. But it's not the only government that's been doing it. Hopefully they're all now turning the corner onto Reality Street.

我完全同意。但它并不是唯一一个这样做的政府。希望他们现在能认清现实。

Gluteus Maximus
I hope we deliver and NOT speaking about it. Don't give info to Russia!

我希望我们送出武器，而不是空谈。不要给俄罗斯情报!

Veles
@Gluteus Maximus ???????? Yesterday, Ukrainian channels published a video of the MLRS strike of the Terra unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the positions of the Russian Armed Forces in the Nikolaev-Kherson direction.

昨天，乌克兰电视台发布了乌克兰武装力量特拉部队MLRS对尼古拉耶夫-科尔森方向俄军阵地发起攻击的视频。

But the desire of Kyiv propagandists to boast of success led to an unexpected effect. Our team analyzed the video and determined the exact location of the filming: in the video, Russian units are located on the western outskirts of the village of Pravdino.

但是基辅宣传者们吹嘘成功的欲望导致了意想不到的效果。我们的团队分析了那个视频，确定了拍摄的确切地点：在视频中，俄罗斯部队位于普拉夫迪诺村的西郊。

What's wrong here? And just according to Ukrainian reports, the settlement is under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The video actually confirms the opposite and shows that Pravdino is at least in the "gray zone", and the RF Armed Forces have moved the front line in the direction of Posad-Pokrovsky and Nikolaev.

有什么问题吗?根据乌克兰方面的报道，那个村被乌克兰武装部队控制。这段视频实际上证实了相反的情况，显示普拉夫迪诺至少处于“灰色地带”，俄罗斯武装部队已将前线移向波塞德-波克罗夫斯基和尼古拉耶夫的方向。

All this looks especially funny against the background of regular statements by Ukrainian leaders about "counteroffensives" against Kherson and imaginary successes in this direction.

在乌克兰领导人经常发表关于对科尔森的“反攻”声明，并想象在这方面取得成功的背景下，这一切显得特别有趣。

Coordinates of Ukranian positions are : 46.735407215828545, 32.17916608221994

乌克兰的位置坐标是： 46.735407215828545, 32.17916608221994。

Veles
@Gluteus Maximus You ,with your " Oh noo,dont give info to enemy" ????

@Gluteus Maximus 你不是说好“不要把信息透露给敌军”的吗？

Gluteus Maximus
@Veles Let them orcs find out on the battlefields! Why telling everybody when/where and how many? Deliver fast and deliver more, without talking loud about it. Just do it! Slava Ukraine!

@Veles 让那些兽人找到战场吧! 为什么把时间/地点和人数透露给每个人? 快速交付，交付更多，不要大声说出来。想做就做! 乌克兰板载!

Ernie Bell
Maybe the Chancellor is worried about the potential demonstrations when the gas and electricity prices start going even higher as the weather is getting hotter for the summer months and the desire for air conditioning begins, and then winter will be coming and people will be wanting to heat their homes.

也许总理担心的是，随着夏季天气越来越热，人们对空调的需求开始增加，天然气和电力价格开始上涨时，可能会出现示威活动，然后冬天就要来了，人们会想要给家里供暖。

nicke0b
@Sergeyspb2009 Russia can't destroy weapons from west, sorry, it is extremely difficult. Only when they arrive at the front it is possible for Russia to have any impact on supplies.

@Sergeyspb2009 俄罗斯无法摧毁来自西方的武器，抱歉，这非常困难。只有当它们到达前线时，俄罗斯才有可能对乌克兰的后勤造成影响。

Frenki Hunter
Panbaneesha_ Um, what exactly should your chancellor do?

你们的总理到底应该怎么做?

mennnok
@Abhishek you have not seen the threats they make towards Poland or the Baltic states? What do you think they will do with Moldova?

@Abhishek 你没看到他们对波兰或波罗的海国家的威胁吗? 你认为他们会对摩尔多瓦做什么?

Artis Zel
@Abhishek So, Poland isn't EUROPE? :)

@Abhishek 波兰不是欧洲吗？

SPECIAL MILITARY OPERATION
@nicke0b gtfoh,arguing while sitting on your couch

@nicke0b 滚蛋吧，键盘侠。

Jose Perdomo
Why is this Germany's problem? They are not at war and don't want to be....why support American adventurism? What is there for Germany to gain? Other than the fuzzy feeling some people seem to get because they feel they are 'helping' Ukraine. Did they worry about Yemen, Syria or Burma in the same way? Me thinks not

为什么这是德国的问题? 他们没有处于战争状态，也不想打仗……为什么要支持美国的冒险主义? 德国有什么好处? 除了一些人模糊的感觉，他们觉得自己在“帮助”乌克兰。他们是否以同样的方式担心也门、叙利亚或缅甸? 我认为不是。

Tpry
Ru$$ian bot$$$$

俄罗斯水军。

Mark Harder
Bureaucracy? Really? If Germany itself was under attack, would it need months for their bureaucracy to mobilize its armament? If so, that should gravely worry NATO.

官僚主义? 真的吗? 如果德国自己受到攻击，他们的官僚机构需要几个月来调动军备吗? 如果是这样的话，北约会非常担心。

Gordon Willoughby
Oh, I think that Germany is setting it's precedent for delaying involvement in an Article 5 call for assistance from Lithuania for example. The country most likely to get hit next btw.

哦，我认为德国正在开创先例，比如推迟参与第5条要求立陶宛提供援助的行动。顺便说一下，这个国家是下一个最有可能受到打击的国家。

Emmy
But Germany is not at war with Russia.
NATO is not at war with Russia. Ukraine is not a member of NATO and the EU.
Does Germany owe someone something?

但德国并没有与俄罗斯交战。
北约没有与俄罗斯交战。乌克兰不是北约和欧盟成员国。
德国欠了谁什么吗?

Mark Harder
@Emmy See the 'if'. No, Germany isn't obligated to help Ukraine. But when you make a commitment to someone in distress, I don't think you should be making lame excuses like, "Uh, bureaucracy." If Germany doesn't want to arm Ukraine, then they should say so, that's all.

@Emmy 我说是“如果”。不，德国没有义务帮助乌克兰。但当你对一个陷入困境的人做出承诺时，我认为你不应该找一些蹩脚的借口，比如“呃，官僚主义”。如果德国不想武装乌克兰，那么他们应该直接说，仅此而已。

Emmy
@Mark Harder In part, I agree with you, but let's delve into the essence of the problem. Germany is not a free country. Economic conditions were dictated to her, for example, the termination of the construction of the northern stream. This was long before the war. Germany then maneuvered in the same way as it does now with weapons. Germany does not want to supply weapons, but cannot go against the will of the United States.

@Mark Harder 在某种程度上，我同意你的看法，但我们来深入研究这个问题的本质。德国不是一个自由的国家。她的经济状况被限制了，例如，终止北溪管道的建设。这是在战争之前很早的事情。当时的德国就像现在的武器问题一样被操纵了。德国不想供应武器，但又不能违背美国的意愿。

M A
Ukraine should be happy with the help, they are getting...
At the end, Germany do not owe Ukraine anything.

乌克兰应该对得到的帮助感到高兴，他们正在得到……
说到底，德国并不欠乌克兰什么。

2 girls 1 cup
in WW2, the germans captured many russian cannons. they had a factory created to produce ammunition for the cannons. i know we have companies that produce Ak bullets. they should produce ammunition to keep the artillery supplied, just like in ww2. there are a bunch of companies and manufacturers who can and should do this.

在二战中，德国人缴获了许多俄国大炮。他们有一家工厂可以生产这些大炮的弹药。我知道我们有生产Ak子弹的公司。他们应该生产弹药来保证火炮的供应，就像二战时那样。有很多公司和制造商可以也应该这样做。

Darx Kies
Romania started the production of ammunition for Ukraine's artillery.

罗马尼亚开始为乌克兰的火炮生产弹药。

Arjen S
If it were that simple i'm sure they would'nt have this problem..

如果真的这么简单，我相信他们不会有这个问题的。

Tanks & cannons are (nowadays) pretty complex weapon-systems if to be used effectively. My guess is the Orks use some dissimilair ammo then the west, causing the gun or other rounds to fail when firing anything but that.

(现代的)坦克和大炮是非常复杂的武器系统，如果要有效使用的话。我猜那些兽人使用了一些与西方不同的弹药，导致火炮或其他装备在发射任何其他弹药时都失败。

The Simple Critic
Will you pay for it?

你给钱吗？

American Patriot
@The Simple Critic Simple is right. You will pay now and a lot less or FAR more later.

@The Simple Critic 简单就是正确。要么现在给，要么将来给更多。

hav
WW2 Uk had to wait forever for military hardware to arrive this was reported in the newspapers its not an easy thing to move heavy weapons fast, hense there is always a military build up prior to ans offensive operation

二战时期的英国不得不永远等待军事装备的到来，报纸上报道说，快速转移重型武器不是一件容易的事情，所以在进攻行动之前总是要加强军事力量。

Olaf Sigurson
I know that but I don't mind if people doesn't understand it. It just add more pressure for more weapons for Ukraine. Better too much than not enough.

我知道，但别人不理解，我也不介意。给乌克兰更多武器，只会给他们增加压力。但太多总比不够好。

kalman sovari
US and Germany demands Ukrainian soldiers to pass live ammo drills with they new systems to let them take home their new toys. This takes some time, but it is happening right now.

美国和德国要求乌克兰士兵使用新系统进行实弹演习，让他们把那些新玩具带回家。这需要一些时间，但它正在发生。

Gluteus Maximus
Every new gear needs training.

每一种新装备都需要训练。

Dean Robinson
Why are they not allowing the German company rheinmetal to sell the Ukrainian government the stock of marder infantry fighting vehicles

为什么他们不允许德国莱茵金属公司向乌克兰政府出售库存的marder步兵战车？

Perilous
UK too. And every country providing new systems. This isn't news. Germany just takes forever to do everything while making excuses.

英国。每个国家都提供新的武器系统。这不是新闻。德国无论做什么事情都要找借口，又慢吞吞。

jack simper
@Dean Robinson Maybe because of the supply of military equipment to Russia by both France and Germany .

@Dean Robinson 也许是因为法国和德国都向俄罗斯提供了军事装备。

GhVost
@Dean Robinson Because both Scholz and Macron do not want Ukraine to win

@Dean Robinson 因为肖尔茨和马克龙都不希望乌克兰获胜。

Alasdair M Morrison
But still only in very limited numbers

但数量仍然非常有限。

PalleRasmussen
There have been 18 CAESAR systems in action in Ukraine for at least two weeks, no Panzerhaubitze 2000. Why the difference?

已经有18台凯撒火炮系统（法国）在乌克兰作战了至少两周，却没有一台（德国）Panzerhaubitze 2000。为什么会有这样的差异呢?

Frenki Hunter
@Dean Robinson Because those Marders are 60 years old? Because Rheinmetal also needs "Russian gas" for its production? Because everything is related to everything?

@Dean Robinson 因为那些东西都有60年历史了? 因为莱茵金属也需要“俄罗斯天然气”来生产? 因为每件事都与每件事相关?

Perilous
@brerabbit Putler: "I an Peter the Great!! I am conquering lands that belong to Russia!!!"
Tankies: "See? It's NATO that provoked this war!!!"
Putler: "watch out Lithuania and Finland, I'm coming for you!!!"
Tankies: "....NATO...."

@brerabbit 普特勒：“我是彼得大帝！我正在征服属于俄罗斯的土地！”
GC分子：“看到了吗？是北约挑起了这场战争！”
普特勒：“立陶宛和芬兰小心，我找你来了！”
GC分子：“……北约……”

pron777
Ukraine should receive generous amount of Western weapons because Russia has already lost 25% at least of it's weapon inventory.

乌克兰应该接受大量的西方武器，因为俄罗斯已经损失了至少25%的武器库存。

Marc DC
Russia seems to shoot and then draw the bullseye around where it hit.

俄罗斯似乎是先开枪，然后在击中的地方画出靶子。

gdi wolverine male 2
Look at that more carefully ..... Ukrainian body parts and blood mark the area around the hit

仔细看看……乌克兰人的身体零件和血迹出现在子弹击中的地方周围。

Ernie Bell
If so, they why is Zeneksy always complaining?

如果是这样，为什么泽连斯基总是抱怨?

The Iron Chancellor
@gdi wolverine male 2 Weird... Why did Zelensky ordered burning files of Biolabs in Feb 24....
Why are Ukrainian artilleries and supply trucks found in Malls, Hospitals, and Residential Areas if those aren't military targets?

@gdi wolverine male 2 奇怪……为什么泽连斯基在2月24日下令烧毁生物实验室的文件……
如果商场、医院和居民区不是军事目标，为什么那里会有乌克兰的炮兵和补给车?

xia en Gao
That's called the "Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy".

这就是所谓的“德州神枪手脱靶了”。

Anti-Vegan Nonsense
@The Iron Chancellor found the Ork!

@The Iron Chancellor 发现兽人！

Artis Zel
@The Iron Chancellor Putinbot

@The Iron Chancellor 普京水军。

Mr. Wednesday
Isn't it obvious they're gaining ground. Ukraine needs to get back in the negotiating table.

俄罗斯正在夺取土地，这不是很明显吗? 乌克兰需要回到谈判桌上。

Jerome Barry
It is my understanding that Ukrainian soldiers are abroad being trained on the complex weapon systems which have been promised.

据我所知，乌克兰士兵正在国外接受承诺的复杂武器系统训练。

clavo
Apparently the special equipment Ukraine needs, is so hard to train for, because the equipment is so expensive that the doner countries do not want the investment to be wasted or even counter productive by being handed over to an under trained soldier. Every screw and adjustment must be fully understood or the trigger cannot be pulled! It loses plausibility with me, but, people rightfully, hold their investments closely. Also, Ukraine's history of prolific corruption is being glossed over. Handing over 900 Howitzers; may result in more pro Russian Ukrainian soldiers moving to Sweden; as they sold their assigned Howitzer to Russia ! ! !

显然，乌克兰需要的特殊装备很难训练，因为这些装备非常昂贵，捐助国不希望自己的投资浪费掉，甚至是交给一个训练不足的士兵，产生相反的效果。每一个螺丝和调整都必须充分理解，否则扳机就无法抠动! 这在我看来不太可信，但人们理所应当地紧守住有自己的投资。此外，乌克兰腐败泛滥的历史也被掩盖了。交付900门榴弹炮; 可能导致更多亲俄乌克兰士兵搬去瑞典; 因为他们把自己的榴弹炮卖给了俄罗斯!