网友讨论：能源危机让德国最大化工企业巴斯夫加大对中国的投资

MsHSpring
I never thought that I would see a group of developed countries literally digging their own grave!

我从来没有想到会看到一群发达国家自掘坟墓

nils petter hellvik
I would never have even guessed this would happen 4 years ago.

四年前我不会想到会发生这种事情

Jack Parsons
@nils petter hellvik LOL never assume things will stay the same. Everything can change in an instant.

哈哈，永远不要认为一切会保持不变，一切都可能会在瞬间发生变化

Dean Hunter
I'm Australian and we're doing the same I'm afraid

我是澳大利亚人，我担心我们也在自掘坟墓

Not Crazy
The EU has been digging since 2003.

自2003年以来欧盟一直在自掘坟墓

Pompeo
Thanks to the USA!

感谢美国

Monica Gambino
That’s what arrogance achieves

这就是傲慢的下场

Wealthy man
Nothing last forever, time to pay for some stupid decisions.

没有什么是永恒的，是时候为愚蠢的决定付出代价了

Alfred Epding
Even when new LNG terminals are eventually built LNG from the U.S. shipped gas will always be much more expensive than Russian piped gas.

即便欧洲最后建成了新的液化天然气接收站，但来自美国船运的天然气价格总会比俄罗斯的管道天然气贵很多。

Akka fietje
Basf can't wait a year for the new terminals

新的液化天然气接收站要一年才能建好，巴斯夫等不了那么长的时间

Alejandro Rivas
That’s the plan. European leaders don’t work for European people.

这就是他们的计划，欧洲领导人不为欧洲人民效力

Peter Sydow
@Alejandro Rivas just like American " leaders"

就像美国领导人不为美国人效力一样

Gerry McPartland
fill a usa tanker with LNG gas cost $60million then take it on to Europe and sell for $200million

将一艘美国油轮装满液化天然气要花费6000万美元，但将这些天然气运到欧洲，可以卖到2亿美元

Spadey Say
The people should just haul their politicians out of the buildings and throw them onto the streets.

人们应该把那些政客从大楼里面拖出来，然后把他们扔到大街上

Four Toes
@Trading Wizard
Furthermore, the capacity of an LNG tanker is 200,000 cubic meters, the Nordstream 1 & 2 had an annual capacity of 110,000,000,000 cubic meters.
This equates to 55,000LNG tanker loads per year being delivered to Europe, with a global fleet of 700 tankers.

一艘液化天然气油轮的运力是20万立方米，北溪一号和北溪二号全年输送1100亿立方米。这相当于每年向欧洲运送55000艘液化天然气油轮，而全球液化天然气油轮数量只有700艘

Tomas Kinoshta
USA does not have enough LNG for Germany. USA was scheduled to send 15 billion m3 of gas in 2022. Germany needs 130 billion m3 of gas a year

美国没有足够的液化天然气提供给德国。美国2022年计划向德国提供150亿立方米液化天然气。但德国一年需要1300亿立方米。

cz l
Don't blame the leaders, blame the people who sexted their leaders.

不要怪领导，要怪就怪那些选出这些领导的人民

Te So S
@cz l blame Russia

要怪俄罗斯

MaL
This (so called) energy 'crisis' has little to do with Russia, it is primarily down to catastrophic 'green' policies, trying to fix a non-existent problem.

这场所谓的能源危机和俄罗斯没有什么关系，这主要是糟糕的绿色政策导致，他们试图去解决一个本不存在的问题

Ron Tsang
They always talked about how Russia is using energy to create a dependency for the EU countries. They never talked about how they've use Russia cheap energy to booster their own living standards.

他们总是说俄罗斯如何利用能源使欧盟国家加深对他们的依赖，但他们从来不说他们是如何利用俄罗斯廉价能源来提高自己的生活标准的。

charan
EU would have never thought that sanctions would hurt them soo much.

欧盟想不到制裁会给自己造成那么大的伤害

Dolo thedon
Now they know but in denials

现在他们知道了，但不愿意承认

Anne Beignatborde
A 5 year-old could have told them that it was a stupid move.

就算是一个五岁的小孩子也知道这是一个愚蠢的举动

VexVersaa
Oh they knew. It was all done by design.

他们知道，这些都是他们设计好的

MY BORSAI
Not late yet, EU must stop following USA

现在还不晚，欧盟必须停止追随美国

Max Maximo
cause hey rely much on the USA, and it seems that the US is not helping enough to EU, cause them self are going into a recession

因为他们非常依赖美国，而美国似乎没有给欧盟提供足够的帮助，因为他们自己正在进入衰退

Diogo Jorge
It doesn't matter if it hurts them much or not. Russia's gas dependency must end.

这有没有对他们造成巨大的伤害并不重要。欧盟必须结束对俄罗斯的天然气依赖

james ian
Crazy, BASF has to move 1000's of miles to use Russian cheap energy. The exact same gas it was using at home.

这真是太疯狂了，为了能使用俄罗斯的廉价能源，巴斯夫不得不将厂搬到一千英里外的中国。他们在中国用的天然气和过去在本国使用的是一样的。

Vic Ranger
This move by BASF further illustrates how ill advised the European new energy path. When they were using coal fired power generation there was zero problem with electric generation, but try to crank up significant electricity with your “green” energy as it fails.

巴斯夫的举动进一步说明欧洲的新能源路线是多么的不明智。当他们使用煤炭来发电的时候，他们没有遇到任何问题，但当他们试图用绿色能源来大量发电时却失败了。

Ex Muslim
Putin's say before EU put sanctions on Russia - "They are not limiting Us but themselves "

普京在欧盟制裁俄罗斯之前就说过：他们限制的不是我们，而是他们自己

Kodjo G
EU is showing to us how to run a country to ground

欧盟正在向我们示范如何搞砸一个国家

H. Teo
So true.

说的太对了

AzN SmileyAgain
EU isn't a country, but I get your point.

欧盟不是一个国家，但我明白你的意思。

Badaboombadabing
You can thank Olaf Scholz and Ursula von der Leyen for this, their policies have caused energy price increases.

要感谢肖尔茨和冯·德莱恩，因为他们的政策使得能源价格暴涨

Jimmy Lam
They all have American green card !

他们都有美国绿卡

Nenad Perisic
To be a US enemy is not good, but to be US friend is fatal

做美国的敌人是危险的，但做美国的朋友却是致命的

Howard Osagie
This is really sad how Germany allowed UK US and Ukraine to destroy his economics.

可悲的是，德国竟然允许英国美国和乌克兰摧毁自己的经济

TOMTOM JUST SAY IT
Russia has always been reliable in supplying gas to Germany, even during the Cold War. Why would Germany imposed sanctions on Russia's gas?

即便是在冷战期间，俄罗斯也一直在可靠的为德国输送天然气。为什么德国要对俄罗斯天然气施加制裁？

Jack Parsons
US told them to do so.

这是美国的命令

geranienbaum
Germany did not sanction gas.Russia stopped the supply.

德国没有制裁俄罗斯的天然气，是俄罗斯停止了天然气供应。

Peter Young
@geranienbaum Wrong

你说的不对

C2C Contracting
Sanctions are imposed on Russia due to their illegal invasion and illegitimate annexation of sovereign Ukrainian land

对俄罗斯的制裁是因为他们非法入侵并吞并乌克兰的主权领土。

geranienbaum
@Peter Young no,Russia shut down NS1 in September.

不，俄罗斯在九月一号就关闭了北溪一号

John M
At the behest of Americas agent in the EU, Van der Leyden

德国制裁俄罗斯是受到了美国驻欧盟特工冯德莱恩的命令

PK Wong
Do not blame Russia. Blame Europe's own stupidity and the USA and EU sanctions.

不要怪俄罗斯，要怪就怪欧洲自己的愚蠢和美国及欧盟的制裁。

asha kadaba
Well said

说的好

Iron Man
India ranks 107 in hunger index Fix ur country first.

印度在饥饿指数上排名第107，先解决你们国家自己的问题再说吧

Violent Cabbage
@Iron Man Europe is going through a deindustrialization due to sanctions on Russia. No more cheap fuel and goods

由于对俄罗斯的制裁，欧洲正在经历去工业化。欧洲不再有廉价的能源和商品了

Calvin Koay
Europe not stupid....

欧洲并不愚蠢

Iron Man
@Violent Cabbage India,3 world countries are more poor bz of this war.
Oil prices, inflation,food prices are very high in developing countries

这场战争让印度等第三世界国家变的更加贫穷，发展中国家的石油价格，通货膨胀和食品价格都非常高

Baba entertainment
@Iron Man don't worry about us bro. We are handling it with 7% growth rate. We don't need gas in winter but u guys did. Prepare yourself.

不要担心我们，我们的经济增长率达到了7%，可以应付这些困难。我们在冬天不需要天然气，但你们需要。做好准备吧

Reaction Munde
@Iron Man yes we are not devloped but we not colonise anyone

是的，我们不发达，但我们没有殖民过别人

TON z
@Iron Man hi. India GDP is higher than uk.

印度的gdp已经超过英国

arpit shah
Usa is not stupid it made lots of money from war !!!

美国并不愚蠢，它从这场战争中赚到了很多钱

Nadjib Elghribi
I have always thought that German are not such stupid.

我一直以为德国人不会那么蠢

palimpalim
@Reaction Munde How many European countries have their own space program?

有多少欧洲国家拥有自己的太空项目？

Jitendra Poochhwle
@Iron Man India is now 5th largest economy,

印度现在是第五大经济体

Roberto Tovar
Blame Germany for putting itself..in this situation ...

这都怪德国让自己陷入到了这样的局面中。

daniquinz
The cost of following the US blindly. Wake up EU...

这就是盲目追随美国的代价，欧盟醒醒吧

Jf
Germany if it's able to cooperate with Russia, the two countries will be a economic force that can rival the US and even China. For this reason, the US will go all out to destroy any possibility of any economic cooperation.

如果德国可以和俄罗斯展开合作，那么这两个国家的经济实力将可以和中美比肩。因此美国将竭力破坏他们进行经济合作的任何可能性。

tomatodamashi
There is no way, even if the best case scenario, that Germany and Russia could have a combined economy equal to that of America or China. They could become a very powerful economic base, but it would take the entire EU's combined economies to rival those superpowers.

即便是在最理想的情况下，德国和俄罗斯的经济加在一起也无法和中美相抗衡。他们的经济或许会变得很强，但要想和这些超级大国抗衡，必须把整个欧盟的经济都加在一起才行。

Sue Marshall
Its NATO that's fighting Russia.
Think Germany would leave Nato?

和俄罗斯斗法的是北约
你认为德国会离开北约吗

H. Teo
@Sue Marshall .
Germany leaving NATO?
No way.
TBH, I believe that Germany is an occupied country, similar to Japan.

德国离开北约？
不可能。
说实话，我认为德国和日本一样都是一个被占领国

sylvia m
@Sue Marshall - NATO has no business doing that. Ukraine is not a member.

北约与此没有任何关系，乌克兰不是北约成员国

Nikky t
@tomatodamashi If Germany made amends with Russia, it could join BRICS and as well as benefitng from cheap energy, it could explore new economic pathways, afforded by having a BRICS membership.

如果德国和俄罗斯和解，德国就可以加入金砖国家，可以从廉价能源中获益。在如果金砖成员国身份后，德国可以探索新的经济路线。

rick ross
Germany cooperate with Russia? Are they going to partition Poland again

德国和俄罗斯合作？他们要再次瓜分波兰了吗？

I. K.
USA would never allow such a cooperation to happen.

美国绝不会允许德国和俄罗斯合作的

geranienbaum
@Nikky t i don´t think that those countries want Germany as a member.Germany had colonies and committed the holocaust.

我不认为金砖国家会希望德国加入。德国之前拥有过殖民地，还犯下过大屠杀等罪行

Pla Yer
Luckily US not able/dare to destroy pipeline from Russia to China. China is next to Russia.

幸运的是美国没有能力/不敢去破坏中俄管道。中国和俄罗斯接壤。

John M
Yes you are right. If Russia had been allowed into the European unx Russia will become a very powerful country. America doesn’t like powerhouses challenging their hegemony

是的， 如果俄罗斯被允许加入欧盟，那么俄罗斯将会成为一个非常强大的国家。美国不喜欢有可以挑战自己霸权的强国出现。

After_Midnight
Russia and Germany are always turned against each other. Joined Europe and Russia would be the largest and strongest superpower.

俄罗斯和德国总是相互反目。如果加入了欧洲，俄罗斯将会成为最大最强的超级大国。

Victoria
So true. I'm from Russia. Putin has always wanted to be with Europe (so have Russians) and at the begining it was his aim. But EU is the USA colony, it does make desicions any more. It's a pity.

说的很对，我来自俄罗斯，普京一直想要加入欧洲（俄罗斯人也都这样希望），这一开始就是他的目标。但欧盟是美国的殖民地，它无法自己做主。这真的太遗憾了

Billy_Almighty
EU stop being US lapdog.

欧盟，请不要再作美国的走狗了

Barry Dhanukdharriesingh
Blame the U.S. and NATO, for this.

要怪就怪美国和北约

Boi Roi
The move by BASF clearly indicates it doesn't care about the US or EU market.

巴斯夫的这个举动清楚的表明它不在乎美国或欧盟的市场。

JUSPER KHAMALA
If industries move out of Europe,where will German get money to continue funding Ukraine's war?

如果产业都离开了欧洲，那么德国要从哪里募集资金继续资助乌克兰战争？

Anneli Zetterström
Higher taxes

德国可以提高税收

Pura Vida
China is smart! No need to fire a shot. Merely make it economically profitable for foreign companies to relocate to China.

中国很聪明。不需要开一枪，就让外国企业搬到了中国，让自己在经济上获得了好处。