中国对美国国防巨头洛克希德·马丁公司和雷神公司就对台军售进行了更多制裁

China has slapped more sanctions on US defence giants Lockheed Martin and Raytheon over arms sales to Taiwan. Both firms have been added to Beijing's "unreliable entities" list. Under the new regulations, Lockheed Martin and a subsidiary of Raytheon Technologies will not be able to engage in import and export activities related to China. The two firms were sanctioned by China last February after a US$100 million arms sale to Taiwan. At that time, Beijing said the sale undermined China's security interest, Sino-American relations as well as peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait.

中国对美国国防巨头洛克希德·马丁公司和雷神公司就对台军售进行了更多制裁。两家公司都已被列入北京的“不可靠实体”名单。根据新规定，洛克希德·马丁公司和雷声技术公司的子公司将不能从事与中国有关的进出口活动。去年2月，这两家公司在向台湾出售1亿美元的武器后被中国制裁。当时，北京方面表示，军售损害了中国的安全利益、中美关系以及台湾海峡的和平与稳定。

Snoopy Brown
What happens when there’s nothing left to sanction?

如果没有什么可以制裁的了怎么办?

Lien Truong
Should ask the EU first, sanction the sanction

应该先问欧盟，制裁制裁吗

remix
@lientruong2500 these people are wierd and hypocrites. They have no shame

@lientruong2500这些人是奇怪的伪君子。他们没有羞耻心

xx 8868oo
Actually don't do much.
China need to learn more sanctions method from master U$.

其实没多做。
中国需要向美国大师学习更多的制裁方法。

Godzilla Mothra
China should target banks that have business ties with both firms, slap them with fines if they do business with them, and cut access to Chinese market if they continue doing business with them. China should also impose stop and search on random cargo ships that go to or from taiwan.

中国应该针对与这两家公司有业务联系的银行，如果它们与它们有业务往来，就对它们处以罚款，如果它们继续与它们有业务往来，就切断它们进入中国市场的渠道。中国也应该对来往台湾的货船进行拦截和搜查。

Daxtyn Minn
China can't stop and search US ships. That's suicide.

中国不能拦截和搜查美国船只。这是自杀。
刚

@Daxtyn Minn soon when the facade is down.

很快，当门面拆掉的时候。

Daxtyn Minn

@刚 facade?
@刚 门面？

Test Salv
@Daxtyn Minn He means when China stop the diplomacy. We all know at one point in the future, China will use military, if necessary, to take Taiwan. After that, there's no need to act respectfully towards US since the deed is done.

@Daxtyn Minn他的意思是当中国停止外交时。我们都知道，在未来的某个时刻，中国将在必要时动用军事力量夺取台湾。在那之后，没有必要对美国表现出尊重，因为事情已经做了。

Godzilla Mothra
@Daxtyn Minn
What can the US do? Send warships to protect every cargo ship traveling in Asia? China can stop and search any ships it want in its seas for security reasons just like the US did, but in other countries' seas. Seizing them of course need legal reasons, which the US usually very good at concocted. China can keep the matter contain by focusing on ships coming in and out of taiwan, searching for weapons.
@Daxtyn Minn

美国能做些什么?派遣军舰保护在亚洲航行的每艘货船?中国可以像美国一样，出于安全原因在自己的海域拦截和搜查任何船只，但是在其他国家的海域。抓住它们当然需要法律理由，而美国通常很擅长编造这些理由。中国可以通过关注进出台湾的船只来控制事态，搜索武器。

Daxtyn Minn
@Godzilla Mothra The Chinese don’t have the balls to do it. Hell, the US coast guard could probably wipe the floor with Chinese navy.

@Godzilla Mothra中国人没有胆量这么做。见鬼，美国海岸警卫队可能会把中国海军打得落花落地。

remix
@daxtynminn3415 yeah you are finished dude.

对，你完蛋了，伙计。

Il Viandante
“China should also impose stop and search on random cargo ships”
LoL didn’t end well for the last country that tried that.

“中国还应该对随机货船进行拦截和搜查”
对于最后一个尝试这样做的国家的结局并不好。

hta htoo
LM and Raytheon have civilian businesses with China, through the subsidiary companies. They gain some in TW but lose some in Cn.

LM和雷神公司通过子公司与中国开展民用业务。 他们在台湾获得一些，但在中国失去一些。

LIGHT YAGAMI
That too will get ban what is realted to lm and Raytheon

这也将被禁止与lm和雷神有关的东西

Huas
Any company that does business with these companies will not be allowed to do business with China. For example, Boeing, 1/4 of the aircraft market is in China, I guess they are trembling

任何与这些公司有业务往来的公司将不被允许与中国有业务往来。比如波音，四分之一的飞机市场在中国，我猜他们在发抖

G
Oh NO! Lockheed will not be able to sell weapons to China, which it will never do anyways xD

噢,不!洛克希德将无法向中国出售武器，这是它永远不会做的

Chiao Lim
Probably mean Lockheed has to find suppliers elsewhere….I think mostly rare earth

可能意味着洛克希德必须在其他地方寻找供应商......我认为主要是稀土

Happy Melon
Is to punish Lockheed sell outdated weapons to Taiwan

是惩罚洛克希德向台湾出售过时的武器吗

Oxidus
@Chiao Lim Rare-earth ore deposits are found all over the world. Australia has tons of rare earth minerals, so does Chile, Canada, India, South Africa, etc...

@Chiao Lim 世界各地都有稀土矿床。澳大利亚有大量的稀土矿物，智利、加拿大、印度、南非等也是如此。

Jarrod Yuki
@Chiao Lim shelll companies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats how the black bird was built.

@Chiao Lim shelll公司 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!黑鸟就是这样造出来的。

myty 1999
The controller of Lockheed can no longer do any business with China, do they only control one company?

洛克希德的控制人不能再和中国做生意了，他们只控制一家公司吗?

Aq Zing
The same thing US did shooting down a harmless China balloon with a F22 missile. Right?

就像美国用F22导弹击落了一个无害的中国气球一样。对吧?

Ev3r3sT Wu
@Oxidus you have no idea how difficult to separate rare earth metals!

@Oxidus你不知道分离稀土金属有多难!
台灣香腸配大蒜

​ @Oxidus problem is that other countries have little expertises in refining, extraction, separation of useful material from rare earth minerals. even rare earth mineral from california has to sent to china for separation & refinement... lol

@Oxidus的问题是，其他国家在从稀土矿物中提炼、提取、分离有用材料方面的专业知识很少。即使是来自加州的稀土矿石也必须运往中国进行分离和提纯…哈哈
台灣香腸配大蒜

​ @myty 1999 both lockheed and raytheon have huge subsidiary operations in sourcing and non-military business in china....such as civilian helicopters and elevators. just name a few....

1999年，洛克希德和雷神在中国都有庞大的采购和非军事业务子公司....比如民用直升机和电梯。随便说几个....

X W
Lockheed has lots of business in China, for example, a elevator company.

洛克希德在中国有很多业务，比如一家电梯公司。

Matt Townsend
Lockheed and Raytheon will be just fine. They were already under Chinese sanctions and will continue to manufacture the best systems on Earth. They’re decades ahead of their competitors and these sanctions remain insignificant

洛克希德和雷神会没事的。他们已经受到了中国的制裁，并将继续制造地球上最好的系统。他们领先竞争对手几十年，这些制裁仍然微不足道

xx 8868oo
Correct, to make profit, just need to create conflict, new market.

正确，要想盈利，只需要创造冲突、新市场。

unnamedness
profit over dead bodies. disgusting

利润高于死亡。恶心的

Ev3r3sT Wu
US is the Villain of the Planet!

美国是地球上的恶棍!

Abdulle Abdullahi
China doesn't have strategic allies, only transactional allies. Not even ONE. DPRK is not even strategic ally, just transactional.
It is the PRC's biggest weakness, in my view.
US has countless strategic allies. So, PRC cannot enforce its sanctions against the West. It's an strategic handicap. So, I would advise CCP that they should build their own strategic relations from the scratch to compete or oppose western imperialism.

中国没有战略盟友，只有交易盟友。一个都没有。朝鲜甚至不是战略盟友，只是交易。
在我看来，这是中国最大的弱点。
美国有无数的战略盟友。因此，中国无法对西方实施制裁。这是一个战略障碍。所以，我会建议中国，他们应该从头开始建立自己的战略关系，来竞争或反对西方帝国主义。

bob charles
That does not mean anything. Let me give you an analogy. Walmart and Amazon does not have any business partners (Allies) they just customers and vendors yet they are the most powerful companies on earth by far. China can be the most powerful country on earth by far with just "customers" and "vendors". They became the most powerful country on earth with "customers" and "vendors", right!.

这并不意味着什么。让我给你打个比方。沃尔玛和亚马逊没有任何商业伙伴(盟友)，他们只有客户和供应商，但他们是迄今为止地球上最强大的公司。到目前为止，中国可以成为地球上最强大的国家，只有“客户”和“供应商”。他们成为了地球上最强大的国家，拥有“客户”和“供应商”，没错!

R3d Powel
you are a fool if you think China is weak because it has no allies.. China population is 1.4 billion US,CANADA, AUSTRALIA and EUROPE comes a total of 900 million people.

如果你认为中国没有盟友就很弱，那你就是傻子。中国有14亿人口，美国、加拿大、澳大利亚和欧洲总共有9亿人。

R3d Powel
@Xri Lis is the world you allies?

@Xri Lis世界是你的盟友吗?

Peter Sinclair
The United States does have allies and AUKUS will develop next generation weapons. The US can remove China’s MFN status. Of course, high level diplomacy needs to maintained. The West is hegemonic but not imperialist in 21st Century. Imperialism is more likely to come from an upxed Chinese Middle Kingdom based on the Manchurian not Han Ming Dynasty. China wants tributaries.

美国确实有盟友，AUKUS将开发下一代武器。美国可以取消中国的最惠国待遇。当然，高层外交需要维持。在21世纪，西方是霸权主义，但不是帝国主义。帝国主义更有可能来自一个以满洲而不是汉明朝为基础的更新的中国中央王国。中国想要朝贡。

R3d Powel
@Peter Sinclair you think China needs USA? Are you kidding me lmao.. tributaries do you live in the 900 BC?

@Peter Sinclair你认为中国需要美国?开玩笑吧，你生活在公元前900年吗?

R3d Powel
@Peter Sinclair China today is no where even close to Resemble the Old China.

@Peter Sinclair 今天的中国一点也不像旧中国。

YH Tan
China in order to avoid being sanctioned should expedite the de-dollarization of all trade and offload more of their US Bonds. Sanction and counter sanction will not resolve the US weaponising USD especially with the military industrial complex strong support from US Congress.

为了避免被制裁，中国应该加快所有贸易的去美元化，抛售更多的美国债券。制裁和反制裁并不能解决美国将美元武器化的问题，尤其是在美国国会大力支持军事工业的情况下。

Aq Zing
China is already doing that and in the process

中国已经在这么做了

Jeff Potter
Just a warning shot. Rare earth sanction would collapse US defense industry from missiles to F-35. No wonder blxen wanted to meet so badly

只是警告一下。稀土制裁将摧毁美国国防工业，从导弹到F-35。难怪布林肯这么想见你

블루 벨벳
Nope, its NOT rare earth raw materials. America used to purchased aluminum and copper and nickel to China for manufacturing F-35 through LOCKHEED MARTIN and BOEING but USA already shifted to other suppliers in different countries like Australia, Indonesia and the Philippines.

不，不是稀土原材料。美国曾经通过洛克希德马丁公司和波音公司向中国购买铝、铜和镍，用于制造F-35，但美国已经转向了澳大利亚、印度尼西亚和菲律宾等不同国家的其他供应商。

Xri Lis
China ain't the only one with rare earth elements buddy. China is just easier cause they already mining a bunch of it. But their are other nations that have untapped resources that rival China like South East Asia and Australia. Also lots of rare earth elements under the sea that other nations are starting to mine and can sustain them for many many years, starting with Japan and soon the rest of the world.

中国不是唯一拥有稀土元素的国家。中国更容易，因为他们已经开采了大量的黄金。但东南亚和澳大利亚等其他国家也拥有与中国竞争的未开发资源。此外，海底还有很多稀土元素，其他国家正在开始开采，可以维持很多年，首先是日本，很快世界其他地方也会开始开采。

Mythbuster
@Xri Lis
Really. Research and study more before opining.
@Xri Lis

真的。在发表意见之前要多研究研究。

Jeff Potter
@Xri Lis china controls 80% of rare earth metals refining. The secret sauce is not the rare earth metals (not really rare) but the technology to process and refine these metals

@Xri Lis 中国控制着80%的稀土金属精炼。秘密武器不是稀土金属(并不真的稀有)，而是加工和提炼这些金属的技术

Xri Lis
@Jeff Potter For now. But other nations also have the technological capabilities to do it themselves, they just have to mine their own.

@Jeff Potter 但其他国家也有技术能力自己开采，他们只需要自己开采。

Jeff Potter
@Xri Lis I have been hearing the same thing since 2010 when China sanctioned Japan until Japan returned the jailed Chinese fisherman….13 years later, still deeply depend on China for rare earth.

@Xri Lis, 2010年中国制裁日本，直到日本归还被监禁的中国渔民，我就一直听到同样的话....13年过去了，稀土仍然深深依赖中国。

Xri Lis
@Jeff Potter Well deep sea mining technology takes years of research and development buddy and it's difficult to perfect. Science and technology is not something you can just magically throw out fast. It's like common sense. Once they start deploying it next year, they will start to rely less on China's rare earth imports. The same case for Indonesia.

深海采矿技术需要多年的研究和开发，很难完善。科学和技术不是你可以神奇地快速抛出的东西。这就像常识一样。一旦这些国家明年开始投入使用，它们将开始减少对中国稀土进口的依赖。印尼也是如此。

Jeff Potter
@Xri Lis maybe so but that doesn’t dispute my point.

@Xri Lis也许是这样，但这并不质疑我的观点。

Deebil
@Jeff Potter This isn't some sort of new technology that only China has. The U.S. had rare earth refineries but closed them because they didn't wanted to outsource the dirty job. They can easily start it back up.

@Jeff Potter这不是只有中国才有的新技术。美国有稀土精炼厂，但关闭了，因为他们不想把这项肮脏的工作外包出去。他们可以很容易地重新启动它。

Jeff Potter
@Deebil the proof is in the pudding. If it is simple, then it would have already been done. Why would the US give China this kind of leverage over its military industry? Over its economy? This is not new. It has been an ongoing issue for last 13 years

@Deebil布丁里有证据。如果它很简单，那么它早就被完成了。为什么美国要让中国在其军事工业上拥有这种影响力?对其经济?这并不新鲜。这是一个持续了13年的问题

GrandmaStomper
It would take absolutely nothing for the U.S to purchase these materials from other countries, or to purchase them through a different company. Lol

对美国来说，从其他国家购买这些材料，或通过另一家公司购买这些材料，绝对不需要任何代价。哈哈

Phoebe Li
@GrandmaStomper Just like oil right?

@GrandmaStomper就像石油一样，对吧?

Xri Lis
@Jeff Potter One thing because its cheaper. Of course US could do it, but it is more expensive to do than China. One of the reasons also is labor cost

@Jeff Potter一件事是因为它更便宜。美国当然可以这么做，但比中国更昂贵。其中一个原因是劳动力成本

Jeff Potter
@Xri Lis are you then saying the US would put its defense industry on the line and hand its control to China so it can save a few bucks on labor cost?

@Xri Lis，你是说美国将把自己的国防工业置于危险之中，把控制权交给中国，这样就可以节省几美元的劳动力成本?

m ed
@Jeff Potter US military doesnt used any materials coming from an adversary countries like China because that is against US Federal laws.
They found out that there was a material from China before but they already used other alloy in exchange for that.
Because of that threat, US has already reopen their rare earth industry. That technology isnt really exclusive to China. The only thing that is not yet in the US, is the facility to manufacture magnets. But by 2025, US will have a complete manufacturing of all rare earth metals and alloys.
Japan is also already researching a technology for deep sea mining, after finding out a huge deposits of rare earth metals in one of their seas that could make them self sufficient for 800yrs.
Europe also found a huge deposits of rare earth metals and already setting up to mine and process it and also to become self sufficient.
Rare earth metals arent that really a big threat. They only actually uses a small amount of those. And can be replaced by some alloys.
Most countries dont process that rare earth cause it produced toxic waste, which China can afford doing it, even to the expense of their people.

@Jeff Potter美国军方没有使用任何来自中国这样的敌国的材料，因为这违反了美国联邦法律。
他们发现之前有一种来自中国的材料，但他们已经用其他合金来换取了。
由于这一威胁，美国已经重新开放了稀土产业。这项技术并不是中国独有的。唯一还没有在美国的是制造磁铁的设施。但到2025年，美国将完全拥有所有稀土金属和合金的制造能力。
日本也已经在研究深海采矿技术，此前他们在其中一片海域发现了大量稀土金属矿藏，可以自给自足800年。
欧洲也发现了大量的稀土金属矿藏，已经开始开采和加工，并实现自给自足。
稀土金属并不是真正的大威胁。他们实际上只使用了少量的这种物质。并可被某些合金取代。
大多数国家不加工稀土，因为它产生有毒废物，而中国可以负担得起.....。

m ed
@Jeff Potter You are wrong. That F35 issue was already replaced by other alloy. Google it.
The US is already mining and processing it, again. The only thing left is the facility in Texas which is currently in construction and expected to be operational by 2025. China dominates only 80% which is for processing, which has the environmental issue. That is why they really dominate it. Some of that are from Australia, US, Malaysia.
And only 60% of that materials are from China.
Those plans are already going to materialize in just few years. Mining and processing of metals is not really deep science. Any developed country can make one of their own especially who has experienced on that field like US and Australia.

@Jeff Potter你错了。F35的问题已经被其他合金取代了。谷歌一下。
美国已经再次开始开采和加工黄金了。唯一剩下的是德克萨斯州的设施，目前正在建设中，预计到2025年投入使用。中国只占80%，其中有环境问题。这就是他们真正占据主导地位的原因。其中一些来自澳大利亚、美国和马来西亚。
其中只有60%的原材料来自中国。
这些计划将在短短几年内实现。金属的开采和加工并不是真正深奥的科学。任何发达国家都可以制造一个自己的，尤其是像美国和澳大利亚这样在这个领域有经验的国家。

hon liong
@Xri Lis Let me give it to your this way....

@Xri Lis让我这样给你说....

(1). America is seriously lacking in long term vision. It didn't and couldn't see the importance of the stuff in question. It is the same with solar technology.
(2). American political system is like a lift going out of control. It's policies went up and down depending on which party is in charge.

(1). 美国严重缺乏长远眼光。它没有也不可能看到问题所在的东西的重要性。太阳能技术也是如此。
(2).美国的政治体制就像一台失控的电梯。它的政策随着哪个政党执政而起伏不定。

Xri Lis
@Jeff Potter No. What I meant is if someone has it, why spend so much do it myself when I can buy from someone at a bargain price. Also the defense industry always have a back up plans and many sources to rely on. I don't know if you have been blinded by media, video games or tv shows, but China doesn't control the defense industry of the US.

@Jeff Potter不。我的意思是，如果有人有，为什么要花这么多钱自己做，而我可以从别人那里买到一个便宜的价格。此外，国防工业总是有备份计划和许多来源可以依赖。我不知道你是否被媒体、电子游戏或电视节目蒙蔽了双眼，但中国并没有控制美国的国防工业。

Ev3r3sT Wu
@Xri Lis you have no idea how difficult to separate rare earth metals! If it is so easy, why not separate them yourself?

@Xri Lis你根本不知道分离稀土金属有多难!如果这么容易，为什么不自己把它们分开呢?

Jeff Potter
@Xri Lis Sure and and the US will also solve homelessness, gun violence, drug use and healthcare

@Xri Lis当然，美国也会解决无家可归、枪支暴力、吸毒和医疗问题

Des Chan
@Jeff Potter Get the basic right 1.) Rare earth is not rare 2.) Countries are not doing it because its affect the environment.

@Jeff Potter获得基本权利1)稀土并不稀有。2.) 各国不这么做是因为它会影响环境。

Des Chan
@Ev3r3sT Wu just lots of dirty work,

@Ev3r3sT Wu只是很多肮脏的工作