印网民热议中国“山东舰” vs 印度“维克兰特”号

We compare the first domestically built aircraft carriers of China and India, the Shan and the INS Vikrant. They are both conventionally-powered STOBAR carriers of a medium size, allowing for an interesting review.

比较中国“山东舰”和和印度第一艘国产航母“维克兰特”号，二者都是传统动力中型STOBAR航母。

Russel Fang

Shan is a development milestone which lays the foundation for the PLAN to build larger and more advanced aircraft carriers.

山东舰是一个里程碑，为中国海军建设更大、更先进航母奠定了基础。

 

jiewu wang

As a Chinese, I traveled to India two times 2010 and 2020, and I noticed a huge development of India, and I have a lot of Indian friends hope our two nations could get more communications in different levels, hope India has a great future as well as the same willingness of my own country, Chinese people was suffered too much in the last century and I am very happy to see a defense power to prect ourselves from pentials, hope God bless our blue planet a peaceful future and hope more cooperations between nations.

我是一个中国人，我在2010年和2020年分别去了印度两次，

我注意到印度发展速度很快，很多印度朋友希望我们两国可以在不同层次进行更多的交流，希望印度有一个伟大的未来，我的国家也有同样的意愿，

中国人民在上个世纪遭受了太多的苦难，我很高兴看到我们建立了防御力量来保护自己，

希望上帝保佑我们的蓝色星球有一个和平的未来，希望国家之间有更多的合作。

 

Joey

There is no way India could surpass China in military before they do so in economy.

经济上没超越中国，印度不可能在军事上超越中国。

 

Erbing Chan

China ’s aircraft carrier has a high degree of localization, and India’ s aircraft carrier ’s degree of localization is low.Thanks to India's good diplomatic environment, they can buy equipment produced by many countries.However, if it is in the state of war, important components cannot be produced by themselves, it is undoubtedly a huge problem.

中国航母国产化程度高，印度航母国产化程度低。得益于印度良好的外交关系，他们可以购买到各个国家生产的设备。但如果是在战争期间，重要部件无法自行生产，这无疑是一个严重的问题。

 

Rohan Anand

Except INS Vikrant's power plant, Shan is better in all aspects. Indian shipbuilding has just started to make strives in naval shipbuilding. There's no comparison with China.

India took too long to build its first aircraft carrier and is hesitant to build second 65-000 tons carrier. China is in the race with the US Navy whereas India is just building a capable defensive force in the region.

除了动力装置，“山东舰”在各方面都比“维克兰特”号好。

印度在海军舰艇建造方面刚开始努力，和中国没有可比性。

印度建造第一艘航母花了太长时间，对建造第二艘65000吨级航母犹豫不决。中国正在与美国海军竞争，而印度只是在该地区建立一支有能力的防御力量。

 

pgdog888

No comparison. China's AC is almost 100% home made while india's is like UN.

没有可比性。中国航母几乎100%国产，而印度航母就像万国造。

 

H M

Some of the comments are disappointing - so polarising. I think both countries (India and China) will need to build up their forces as they become economically more powerful. The US will see (or already sees) both as a threat and will try and cause issues with both China and India.

一些评论令人失望——如此两极分化。我认为两国(印度和中国)在经济上变得更强大时，都需要加强武装力量。美国将(或已经)将中印两国都视为威胁，并试图找中国和印度的麻烦。

 

Liew James

In India, indigenously built means just the superstructure. The eco and sub sy ems are all foreign sourced

在印度，本土建造只意味着上层构造。生态系统和子系统都是从国外采购的

 

YCPlum

The Vibrant seems like it is more of a fleet defense carrier with an anti-sub role and some limited power projection capabilities. The Shan seems to be more bnced with more attack capabilities.

My question is whether the stability/handling problems of the J-15 has been corrected. If not, then the advantage of the Shan over the Vibrant is much slimmer.

“维特兰特”号看起来更像是一艘舰队防御航母，具有反潜作用和有限的力量投送能力。“山东舰”似乎更平衡，攻击力更强。

问题是歼-15的稳定性/操纵问题是否已经纠正。如果没有，那么“山东舰”相对于“维特兰特”号的优势要小得多。

 

Lim SH

China has learned well and planned well in the aircraft carrier building, else type 003 carrier how to be almost near completion with the duration of time taken. not only ship building meanwhile at the same time need to self build all and everything to equip the carrier and not importing any of it.  The fast growth of the PLA inventories including the fast delivery of new dest yers has proved the capability well. all of this were build at the same time.

中国在航母建造方面学习得很好，规划得很好，否则003型航母是如何按期完工的。

不仅靠自己建造所有的东西来装备航母，而且不需要进口任何东西。

解放军武器库存的快速增长，包括新型驱逐舰的快速交付，已经很好地证明了这种能力。所有这些都是同时进行的。

 

Anon Anon

India and China both develop their military at their own pace, China's being squeezed by the Americans constantly, so it is more important for China to develop quicker.

印度和中国都在按照自己的节奏发展自己的军事力量，中国不断受到美国的挤压，所以中国发展得更快。

 

digitalpostman

India has an Indian ocean to patrol and prect, while China's near-term goal is push back USA back to Eastern Pacific, so both countries need much stronger navy force.

印度有一个印度洋需要巡逻和保护，而中国的近期目标是把美国赶回东太平洋，所以两国都需要更强大的海军力量。

 

Kylo Ren

Type 002 enters service years before Vikrant. Type 003 is more comparable to Vikrant.

“山东舰”比“维克兰特”号早服役数年。003型“福建舰”和“维克兰特”号更有可比性。

 

aa1944

there has been unbelievable delays with the Vikrant and I believe it has been nearly 14 years since construction started...but none the less, the Vikrant looks good.

令人难以置信的是，“维克兰特”号的建造一直延迟，我相信从开始建造到现在已经有将近14年历史了，尽管如此，“维克兰特”号看起来不错。

 

The Mythbuster

Vikrant is not designed for heavy fighter like SU-33 and can only handle the short range MiG-29K.

Different class of Aircraft Carrier.

“维克兰特”号不是为像苏-33这样的重型战斗机设计的，只能起降短距离的米格- 29k。二者属于不同级别的航母。

 

zawmijubizane1825

Even China surpass Russian economy...they were inferior to when it comes to millitary....hence China could not be easily surpassed by the Indian Military...

即使中国在经济上超过了俄罗斯，但他们在军事方面不如俄罗斯....因此，中国军队不能被印度军队轻易超越....

 

Biochem Wang

China's Shan has been in service for 3 years, while India's Vikrant is not finished yet.

中国的“山东舰”已经服役3年，而印度的“维克兰特”号还没完工。

 

Calvin Blue

China makes aircraft carriers..China makes Commercial tankers ..

As for India, it's money spent.. nothing back

中国造航母，造商业油轮…至于印度，钱花完了，啥也没看到

 

Kross Field

Trust me, India doesn't need AC at all. When India can really build one by herself, the military concepts have been upgraded any generations. Or buy one from USA, when US navy replace them to new type warships.

相信我，印度根本不需要航母。当印度真正能自己建造航母时，军事概念已经升级了。或者当美国海军要把航母替换成新型军舰时，再从美国买一艘。

 

Emphasis213

The Vikrant looks like a mismatch of low quality equipment bought from other countries and then nailed together.

“维克兰特”号看起来就像是从其他国家购买了一堆劣质部件，然后钉在一起的。

 

esphi LEE

China use steam because this carrier is a step stone for develo nuclear powered Carrier. And Nuclear power carrier uses steam.

这艘中国航母使用蒸汽，这艘航母是发展核动力航母的垫脚石。核动力航母使用蒸汽动力。

 

Truthseeker

Two 005 dest yers have more firepower than India's entire navy, with longer range missiles.

两艘005驱逐舰的火力都比整个印度海军的火力还强，导弹射程更远。

 

Aryan Yadav

Both are milestone achieved by nations

China has almost all as thier enemy in sea & very hard for them to become Blue water navy

Whereas India has only Pakistan in the Ocean & is already more experienced Blue water navy

二者都是各自国家实现的里程碑

在海上，中国面临的几乎都是敌人，很难成为蓝水海军

而印度在海上只有巴基斯坦这个敌人，而且印度海军已经是更有经验的蓝水海军

 

Peter Lee

Most important  is which quality  are  more  international  standards., like western  carriers

最重要的是哪个质量更符合国际标准，就像西方的航母

 

Neo Lan

Indian aircraft carriers are the best in the cosmos. They are way ahead in capabilities and technology, followed by the americans.

印度航母是全宇宙最好的，在能力和技术上遥遥领先，美国航母紧随其后。

 

Yan Mak

TBH both are compromises. India's is too small to be a real force multiplier. China's flankers are too heavy and onerous to be of mamum use.

老实说，两个都不咋地。印度航母太小，不足以成为真正的军事力量倍增器。中国航母的侧翼过于沉重，无法发挥最大作用。

 

Jay C

China is trying to catch up with the U.S in all aspects and on  other hand India wants to compare every things with china as well.

中国试图在各个方面赶上美国，而印度也想在各方面和中国比。

 

Charlie Z

Vikrant can reach 30 Knots，are you kidding me ？26 at most.

“维克兰特”的速度可以达到30节，你在开玩笑吗？最多26节