外国讨论美国F22和中国歼20，谁更强！

F-22 vs J-20 | Thunderbird Fighter Pilot Reacts

F-22 vs 歼-20 ，雷鸟战机飞行员反应

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As a retired flight instructor and fighter pilot, these new generation pilots are ls and bounds ahead of the training offered/received in the past (at least by the CAF). In today's world, I would have zero clue how to train a pilot on these incredibly advanced fighters effectively.

我是一名退役的飞行教官，也是战斗机飞行员，这些新一代飞行员的训练比过去所提供的训练有了长足的进步。我根本不知道如何有效地教飞行员驾驶这些极其先进的战斗机。

 

Brian Caplette

The most zing thing about the F-22 is that the design phase began in the 80’s and the competition’s modern planes are still playing catch-up.

F-22最令人惊讶的是，它的设计阶段始于80年代，而竞争对手现代飞机仍在追赶它。

 

Nimbus 1701

Personally, I prefer the YF-23 airframe

就我个人而言，我更喜欢YF-23的机身

 

thr8061

As an USAF vet (early 80s), I've always loved the F-15.  When they rolled out the F-22, I thought it as a nice replacement for the F-15.  Of course, when I saw pix & video of the XF-23, I wondered why it was not chosen.  I'm hearing that the 6th Gen is more like the XF-23.  

作为一名美国空军老兵(80年代初)，我一直很喜欢F-15。当他们推出F-22时，我认为它是F-15的一个很好的替代品。当然，当我看到XF-23的图片和视频时，我想知道为什么它没有被选中。我听说第6代更像XF-23。

 

Joe Brown

I absolutely love watching the F-22. The way it moves and turrns is beautiful, it's also the most aesthetically pleasing designs IMO

我非常喜欢看F-22，转弯很帅，在我看来，这也是最具美感的设计

 

Jayson Pida

J-20 seems to fit perfectly with what the Chinese need: a stealthy, 'missile-truck' with a large fuel load that can reach out over large distances of ocean (the U.S.) or inland (russian boarder).

歼-20似乎完全符合中国的需求：一种携带大量载荷的隐形“导弹卡车”，可以覆盖遥远的海洋(美国)或内陆(俄罗斯边境)。

 

f3nixfire

The F22 is my favorite fighter. The F16 is a close second, because it just has that endearing elegant design. To this day, the F22 looks futuristic even though it came out in the 90s. It just goes to show how far ahead US military technology is. We didnt know the F22 even ested until it had already been flying for years. I'm willing to bet we have a 6th gen fighter that blows everything we know about today out of the water.

That being said, the F22 is such a clean and sexy design. It will remain a favorite long after its retired.

F22是我最喜欢的战斗机，F16紧随其后，因为它有着可爱优雅的设计。

直到今天，F22看起来仍然很未来，尽管它是90年代问世的。

这表明美国军事技术遥遥领先。

F22已经飞行了好几年，我们才知道它的存在。

我敢打赌我们有第六代战斗机，能把我们今天所知道的一切都摧毁。

F22的设计很棒，在退役后仍将是人们的最爱。

 

Joe Zhang

Reminds me of a story I heard from a flt engineer. When nato captured some old migs, like from the Korean and Vietnam era, they weren't sure why they had these holes cut into the front of the air intakes. They couldn't prove those were contributing anything to aerodynamics. Years later, they found out from a defector, the holes were cut there to allow cables to be attached so oxen can pull the jet to the runway. Since they didn't have fancy aircraft towing vehicles, the cows worked fine!

这让我想起了一个从飞行工程师那里听来的故事。当北约缴获一些老式米格战机时，比如朝鲜战争和越南战争时期，他们不确定为什么要在进气口前面开一些洞。

他们无法证明这些对空气动力学有何影响。

多年后，他们从一名叛逃者那里得知，那里的洞是用来连接电缆的，这样牛就可以把飞机拉到跑道上。

他们没有花哨的飞机拖曳车，牛能把这活干好

 

AgentWash117

Speaking as a former crew chief all I can say when seeing the 22 do those maneuvers is "there's going to be a lot of maintenance to do when it lands." Lol

作为一名前机组负责人，我能说的是当看到F22架做这些机动时，“着陆时会有很多维护工作要做。”哈哈

 

MrHousecup

Those jets look incredible!  Like something out of a sci-fi movie!

这些喷气式战机看起来不可思议

就像科幻电影里的东西一样

 

Be

If I was to choose an air superiority fighter I'd probably pick F22.

如果让我选择一种具有空中优势的战斗机，我可能会选择F22。

 

bionicsjw

I live 1.5 miles south of the Langley AFB runway midpoint. I see Raptors fly over my house almost daily. I love that aircraft and those who not only fly them, but also those who work hard to keep them in the air.

我住在兰利空军基地跑道中点以南1.5英里处。

我几乎每天都能看到“猛禽”从我家上空飞过。

我爱“猛禽”飞机，

我爱那些驾驶飞机的人，

也爱那些飞机工程师

 

Frank Merriwell

China has been testing its new engine on J-20 lately. There was a footage of J-20 flying with different engines on each side, and the new one is visually longer than the old one. The current engine is serving a transitional purpose as they have decided to go with native ones at the begng.

中国最近一直在歼-20上测试其新发动机。

有一段视频显示，歼-20飞行时，两侧各有不同的发动机，新机型在视觉上比旧机型更长。

目前的引擎是过渡的，他们一开始就决定使用本土引擎。

 

Molon Labe

The raptors ability to just throw itself into a flat s and come out whenever it wants is crazy

“猛禽”能让自己进入一个平旋状态，想什么时候出来就什么时候出来，这简直太疯狂了

 

Walter Goodwin

Judging by the size alone the J-20 comes across more as a long range Interceptor. Similar to the late F-14. But none of its capabilities.

The F-22 with a smaller airframe usually relates a greater turning capacity.

仅从尺寸上判断，歼-20更像是一种远程拦截弹，类似于退役的F-14。

较小机身的F-22通常具有较大的转向能力。

 

Tou Vang

They're all zing machines. I think it all comes down to the driver.

它们都不可思议。我认为一切都取决于飞行员。

 

Elthenar

Pretty much the only advantage the newer F-22 knockoffs have over a actual F-22 is that they have helmet sights and IRST. The F-22's may well get retired before they ever get those upgrades. Other than that, the 20 year old F-22's are a much more refined product that were made to be an exact fit to a specific function, that function being a heavily networked, super stealthy air superiority fighter. The knock offs just can't compete.

相对于真正的F-22，较新的F-22仿制品的唯一优势是有头盔瞄准器和红外跟踪系统。

F-22很可能在升级之前就退役了。

除此之外，拥有20年历史的F-22战斗机是一种更加精致的产品，它完全符合特定的功能，

一种高度网络化、超级隐形的空中优势战斗机。

山寨货根本无法与之竞争。

 

yue chung Vincent Po

The J20 was design with domestic build engine in mind, but unfortunately China‘s jet engine development could not keep up with the aircraft development, and even now the domestic engined J11/J15/J16 still had some little issue compared to Russia AF 31. So the initial J20 use AF31 instead

歼-20在设计时考虑了国产发动机，但不幸的是，中国的喷气发动机研发跟不上战机的研发进度，

与俄罗斯的AF 31相比，甚至现在国产发动机J11/J15/J16仍然有一些小问题，所以最初的歼-20使用AF31

 

Steve

The most important aspect of any military jet is that it must look good. And J20 looks good.

任何军用飞机最重要的方面是必须看起来很好，歼-20看起来就不错。

 

Aditi Deshpande

I was not aware of the J- 20 at all so I enjoyed learning about it, what struck me is that both the F- 22 & J- 20 are massive aircrafts but due to some reason the J-20 just doesn't have that visually pleasing appeal ( given that they are to be used as wons & not in airshows ) but F-22 looks so elegant when its flying.

我完全不知道歼-20，我想了解它，

让我震惊的是，F-22和歼-20都是大型战机，

但由于某种原因，歼-20没有视觉上的吸引力，

而F-22飞行时看起来很优雅。

 

Geoffrey Lyons

The F22 is being mothballed without ever engaging in an air to air combat. The US military hasn't engaged in a peer adversary with an air force since maybe the 90s and generally the US is quick to take command of the skies.

F22在从未参与过空战的情况下就被封存了。

美国空军可能自90年代以来就没有对手，通常美国很快就能控制天空。

 

NovaSpark

If they are comparable in physical performance, then I’d say the smartness of software and computational power of J20 is likely much better than the 20 years older F22. China is good at Radar too, and 20 years is a huge gap in Radar technology too. Physics has not changed much for 20 years, but ronics has. Just look at the chips used in smart phones and the apps.

如果在性能上比较的话，那么我认为歼-20的软件和计算能力可能比20年前的F22要好得多。

中国也擅长雷达，20年了，雷达技术差距也很大。

20年来，物理学变化不大，但电子学发生了变化。

看看智能手机和应用程序中使用的芯片就知道了。

 

T T

at this point i think f22 was designed in a "peace" time, so it was restricted in certain ways, to make it more survivable. though is still a better plane.

我认为F22是在“和平”时期设计的，所以它在某些方面受到了限制，以使它更容易生存，但仍是一架优秀的战机。

 

mark ray

Regarding larger wons bay and range in the J-20: the plane is much larger than the F-22, so of course it would have larger wons bays and range.

歼-20更大的武器舱和更远的射程，比F-22大得多

 

Eternal Peace

Ultimately it comes down to pilot training. Technology is only as good as those who can use it to the  mamum ability.

归根结底还是在于飞行员训练。只有在那些能够最大限度地利用技术的人才手中，技术才是最好的。

 

Tilio

 As far as I'm aware according Chinese sources, the J20 was designed to equip the WS15 engine (basically China's gen 5 engine). Although the Russian AL31 was used on some J20 prototypes, the production J20s also never actually used Russian engines and instead used the WS10B as an interim option before WS15 goes into service.

据我所知，根据中国的消息来源，歼-20搭载的是WS15发动机(基本上是中国的第5代发动机)。

虽然俄罗斯AL31发动机被用在一些歼-20原型机上，生产的歼-20也从未实际装备俄罗斯发动机，而是在WS15服役之前使用WS10B作为临时选择。

 

TNT_PKK

At current time, we might see a chance they meet, then we’ll know but then again, pilot experience is a huge factor…the fact that US has been invaded dozen of countries for years, their pilots are very well trained

现在我们可能有机会看到它们相遇，然后我们就知道谁更好了，但话说回来，飞行员经验是一个很重要的因素。而美国多年来入侵了几十个国家，他们的飞行员训练有素