你曾经骗过骗子吗（一）

Have you ever scammed a scammer?

你曾经骗过骗子吗?

Vimal Soni, Senior Associate Consultant at Infosys Limited (2019-present)

Vimal Soni，印孚瑟斯有限公司高级副顾问(2019-至今)
Yes I did and its an amazing feeling that when you keep a scammer busy, his time is wasted and he could scam less people!!!
This is what happened:
I received a call from +91 120 3037862 saying they are calling from India Shopping Mart and I have won an LED TV for which I have to pay just INR 3000 as a processing fees.
(suspecting a scam here, I thought of scamming him and keep him busy as long as I can)
Me: Alright, how can I pay the money?
He (In excitement): Sir, you have to pay the amount via PayTM wallet. Once you complete the payment, share the transaction details with us so that we can send you your gift.
Me: Ok but currently I do not have PayTM wallet balance. I need to reload my wallet.
He: I will wait sir, you take your time and load the money.
(I wasted 5 more minutes)
Me: I am unable to add money, I think my net is slow. Please wait I am trying.
(Wasted 5 more minutes)

是的，我确实这么做了，当你让一个骗子忙个不停，他的时间就被浪费，骗的人就更少，这是一种奇妙的感觉！
事情是这样的：
我接到+91 120 3037862的电话，说他们是从印度购物中心打来的，我赢了一台LED电视，我只需支付3000卢比的手续费用。
（怀疑这里有骗局，我想骗他，让他尽可能地忙下去）
我：好的，该怎么付款？
他（激动地）：先生，你必须通过PayTM钱包支付金额。一旦你完成付款，请与我们分享交易细节，以便我们可以向你发送礼物。
我：好的，但目前我没有PayTM钱包余额。我需要重新装钱包。
他：我会等你，先生，你慢慢来，把钱充进去。
（我又浪费了5分钟）
我：我无法充钱，我认为我的网速很慢。请稍等，我正在努力。
（又浪费了5分钟）
He: Sir, did you load the money successfully?
Me: I guess you called me on the same number from which I use the Internet. You have to drop off so that I can load the money
He: Alright sir I will call you after 10 minutes.
(He Called back after 15 minutes)
Me: Yes so now I have loaded INR 3000 in my PayTM wallet. Tell me the number on which I have to send it.
He: Send it on 8512845946
Me: Ok I will send it on 851285946
He (in little frustration): Its 8512845946 sir. Please note it down somewhere.
Me: Ok I have noted 8512845946. Sending you the money.
(Wasted 5 more minutes)

他：先生，你充值钱成功了吗？
我：我猜我们通话的电话号码和我上网的号码是一样的。你得先挂电话，这样我才能充值
好的先生，我十分钟后给你打电话。
（他15分钟后回了电话）
我：是的，现在我往PayTM钱包里充值了3000卢比，告诉我要转钱的账号。
他：打8512845946
我：好的，我会通过851285946转钱的。
他（有点沮丧）：是8512845946，先生。请记住账号。
我：好的，我记下了8512845946，这就把钱转给你。
（又浪费了5分钟）
Me: I am unable to send. It says “Failed, please try again!” (LOL)
He: I guess your Internet will not work while on call. I am dropping off and will callback after 10 mins.
(He called back after 15 mins)
Me: I have sent the money successfully.
He (more excited): Let me check sir. (He checked the transactions but did not find anything) LMAO…
He: Sir I have not received the money yet. Have you sent it correctly?
Me: Yes I have sent it to your number. I have the transaction number also.
He: Give me the transaction number sir.
Me: 904006302743

我：我无法转账。上面写着“失败了，请再试一次！”（哈哈）
他：我猜你的网络在通话时无法工作。我要挂电话，10分钟后再给你回电话。
（他在15分钟后回了电话）
我：我已经成功地把钱转过去了。
他（更激动）：我先查一查，先生。（他检查了交易记录，但啥也没有）笑死我了。
他：先生，我还没有收到钱。你正确转账了吗
我：是的，我已经转到你给我的账号了，我也有交易流水号。
先生，给我交易号码。
我: 904006302743


He: Sir I cannot find any such transaction.
Me: I have taken the screenshot as well.
He: Sir please send that screenshot to my number 7065614090
(After wasting 2–3 mins)
Me : Please drop the call I cant send.
He dropped off the call.
Everything is photoshopped (LMAO)..
He saw the pic and called me excitedly.
He: Sir I see you have successfully sent the money but as there is a network issue in PayTM server, the money is on the way and yet to reach us.
LMFAO, he said “Money is on the way”!!!
(I controlled my laughter somehow and asked)

他：先生，我找不到这笔交易。
我：我也拍了截图。
他：先生，请把截图发给我的号码7065614090
（浪费2-3分钟后）
我：请挂电话，不然我操作不了。
他挂断了电话。
这一切都是经过Photoshop（笑死我了）处理的。。
他看到这张照片，兴奋地打电话给我。
他：先生，我看到你已经成功地转账，但由于PayTM服务器存在网络问题，资金正在路上，尚未到达我们手中。
笑死我了，他说“钱在路上”！！！
（我不知怎么地控制住笑声，问道）
Me: How much time it will take to reach you? Will it reach to you or someone else? I have sent you the money now I want my gift.
He: Don’t worry sir your money will not go anywhere. Once I will receive it in my Passbook, I will call you and take your address.
Now the wait has begun… He keeps on waiting and waiting and waiting…!!!
I am glad I wasted almost an hour of him so that he could scam less people.
Edit 1: They came to know that I fooled them big time, so now they are calling me up and threatening me!!
Numbers: +91 120303 7862 & 8512845946
Edit 2: They stopped calling me after I said to file a complaint if they don’t. :)
Edit 3: I hope many readers have tried calling up these scammers :P

我：需要多长时间才能到达你账上？它会影响到你或其他人吗?我已经把钱寄给你了，现在我要我的礼物。
他：别担心，先生，你的钱不会丢。一旦我在存折上收到它，我会打电话给你并记下你的地址。
现在等待已经开始，他一直在等待，等待，等待…！！！
我很高兴我浪费了他将近一个小时，这样他就可以少骗些人了。
编辑1：他们知道我骗了他们很多次，所以现在他们给我打电话威胁我！
电话：+911203037862和8512845946
编辑2：我说如果他们不停止威胁，我就投诉，于是他们停止给我打电话。
编辑3：我希望很多读者都试着去忽悠这些骗子。
Richard Muller, Prof Physics, UCBerkeley

理查德·穆勒，加州大学伯克利分校物理学教授


I got a phone call from a person claiming to represent the US Government. He wanted to speak to my (adult) daughter, but I was suspicious, and asked him for details. He said that she had missed jury duty, and was about to be arrested, but if we acted quickly, we could avert the damage.
I told him that I wanted to protect her, and that, if possible, it would be best if she never even learned about the problem. What could I do? He said that for a $500 fee, they could expedite a document that would avoid all prosecution. I said I would do that; how do we proceed? He said we could meet at a local CVS Pharmacy; he would bring the forms, I could sign them, and he would file them. But he had to get the funds in cash, not cheque or credit card.
I agreed to do this, but (I said) I needed to have his cell phone number so I could find him. He was reluctant, but I insisted. He handed his phone over to his boss. I was so sincere, and so compliant, that he met my request, and gave me the cell phone number.

我接到一个自称代表美国政府的人打来的电话。他想和我（成年）的女儿说话，但我很怀疑，并向他询问细节。他说她没有履行陪审员义务，马上就要被捕了，但如果我们行动迅速，就能避免损失。
我告诉他，我想保护她，如果可能的话，最好她永远都不知道这个情况。对此我能做什么？他说，只要支付500美元的费用，他们就可以迅速完成一份避免所有起诉的文件。我说我可以支付，但我们如何继续？他说我们可以在当地的CVS药房见面；他会把表格带来，我可以在上面签字，他会把表格归档，但必须用现金，而不是支票或信用卡。
我同意这么做，但（我说）我需要他的手机号码才能找到他。他不情愿给我，但我坚持要。他把手机交给了他的老板。我是如此真诚，如此顺从，以至于他满足了我的要求，给了我手机号码。
I then told the man that I was reporting the scam, and that his cell phone number would soon be inoperative. If it is possible for them to trace who had bought it, then he would be in even deeper trouble.
He got very upset with me. He asked me if I was a psychologist. (That’s because my counter-scam had seemed professional to him.) We chatted for about ten minutes. I told him that his scam was unfair and harmful. He responded by saying that he only took money from people who had cheated the government. I suggested that he get a better job. He said he had tried, but six months ago he had been released from prison, and all prospective employers had turned him down.
He finished with some chilling words: “You realize, of course, that I know where you live.”

然后我告诉那个人我正在就这个骗局进行投诉，他的手机号码很快就会失效。如果能够追查谁进行了交易，那么他将陷入更大的麻烦。
他对我很生气。他问我是不是心理学家。（那是因为我的反诈骗在他看来很专业。）我们聊了大约十分钟。我告诉他，他的骗局既不公平又有害。他回应说，他只从欺骗政府的人那里拿钱。我建议他找一份更好的工作。他说他已经试过了，但六个月前他刚从监狱获释，所有雇主都拒绝了他。
他最后说了一些令人毛骨悚然的话：“你当然应该意识到，我知道你住在哪里。”
Chris Miller, People have tried to scam me a few times.

克里斯·米勒，好几次遭遇过骗局。
Several years ago a woman messaged me on yahoo messenger. Yeah, this was a long time ago. You see, she selflessly ran an orphanage in Spain. She also had a large sum of money being donated to her orphanage from a wealthy deceased philanthropist’s estate. However, wouldn’t you know, her country’s laws made this very difficult to accept. So, she asked if I would kindly accept the money for her and she’d let me keep a 10% share. Your good old fashioned Nigerian 419 scam. It still amazes me that so many people fall for these things even today…
Anyway, so I didn’t have a real job at the time and it was a slow week, so I figured I’d play around with her. We talked on and off for a couple of days and I’d make excuses as to why I couldn’t help her that day. Well on the third day or so, she got antsy. I thought I might lose my new entertainment, so I decided to take it further. She wanted my bank details, so I told her I didn’t want to send them insecurely.

几年前，一位女士通过雅虎给我发信息。这是很久以前的事了。你看，她在西班牙无私地经营一家孤儿院。她从一位富有的慈善家去世后的遗产中拿出一大笔钱捐赠给了她的孤儿院。然而，你不会知道，她的国家的法律很难让她很难去接收这笔钱。所以，她问我是否愿意为她接受这笔钱，她给我保留10%的份额。这是老派的尼日利亚骗局。即使在今天，仍然有非常多的人陷入其中，这让我感到惊讶。
总之，我当时没有正式工作，所以那个星期感觉时间过得特别慢，所以我想我应该陪她一起玩。我们断断续续地聊了几天，我找借口解释为什么我当时帮不了她。到了第三天左右，她就开始烦躁不安了。我想我可能会失去玩伴了，所以我决定更进一步。她想要我的银行信息，所以我告诉她我不想泄露—担心安全问题。
I used (I think, it’s been a long time) Project Neptune to create a keylogger that would be able to upload files to my FTP server (You know, before the cloud thing existed… Damn, I’m getting old…) I then hid it inside of a self-extracting archive that was encrypted. I made sure to pretend that I did some research on this and made it sound like it was all confusing to me as I didn’t want her to think I was too smart. Unfortunately, that keylogger was detectable by her antivirus. She complained about it and I told her something along the lines of “Well, I don’t want to send it without encryption, .You really shouldn’t ever open anything that your antivirus . I think it’s just the antivirus being paranoid, though.” She was desperate enough to open it anyway.

我用Neptune项目创建了一个键盘记录器（我想，这是很长一段时间），可以将文件上传到我的FTP服务器（你知道的，那是在云技术存在之前，该死，我老了），然后我把它藏在一个加密的自解压档案中。我一定要假装我做了一些研究，并让它听起来让我很困惑，因为我不想让她认为我太聪明了。不幸的是，那个键盘记录器被她的杀毒软件检测到了。她就此产生抱怨，我跟她说了一些类似的话：“嗯，我不想在没有加密的情况下发送它。你真的不应该打开你的防病毒软件。不过，我认为这只是防病毒软件太死板了。”不管怎么说，她不顾一切地打开了它。


Of course, all she found was a blank text file inside. I apologized and told her I would look into finding another way to get her my bank info. I then ignored her for a few days to let the data build up a bit. The keylogger was setup to take a screenshot of her screen every minute and every time the mouse was clicked. It recorded all keyboard input and websites visited. After a few days I had enough to learn who my hot, Asian orphanage running friend really was (which I already had a pretty strong feeling…)
Turns out “she” was a Nigerian named Oseni. Mr. Oseni used Yahoo for far more than he should have. That includes storing all of his ill-gotten gains from scamming people. He had his Nigerian merchant marine identification saved there, some U.S. college applications (Likely for other scams), and the best part… A document with hundreds of stolen credit card numbers and matching billing information. This guy was a real piece of work… The screenshots showed him on yahoo messenger for several hours a day. He was scamming no less than 3 people at a time. I could have just stopped there, but looking at the conversations he was having, some of those poor people were being repeatedly scammed. Including one guy who agreed to send her money again, this time so she could go to the U.S. to visit him.

当然，她只在里面找到了一个空白文本文件。我向她道歉，并告诉她我会研究另一种方法来让她知道我的银行信息。然后我晾了她几天，让数据积累起来。键盘记录器被设置为每分钟和每次点击鼠标时都拍摄屏幕截图。它记录了所有键盘输入和访问的网站。几天后，我终于了解到我的亚洲孤儿院朋友到底是谁了（我已经有了非常强烈的感觉…）
原来“她”是一个名叫奥塞尼的尼日利亚人。奥塞尼对雅虎的利用远远超过了他应该做的。这包括储存他所有依靠诈骗得来的不义之财。他在那里保存了自己的尼日利亚海军陆战队士兵身份证、一些美国大学申请（可能涉及其他诈骗），最棒的部分是一份有数百个被盗信用卡号码和匹配的账单信息的文件。这家伙可真够厉害的，截图显示他每天在雅虎信使上待上几个小时。他一次诈骗不少于3个人。我本可以就此止步，但看着他正在进行的对话，其中一些穷人一再被欺骗，包括一个同意再次给她寄钱的男人，这样她就可以去美国看他了。


I pulled everything off of his yahoo account and archived them, then contacted him. I told him that I knew everything. He didn’t believe me. I showed him the images I pulled from his computer and he tried to blame it on his roommate. But, when I told him I was e-mailing everything I had to the FBI, he got all pissed off for a couple of minutes and then admitted everything and told me some sad story about how he can’t make money the legal way. I told him if he promised to never do it again, I wouldn’t send the FBI the files, but if I ever saw him doing it again, I’d send them and he’d be screwed. Of course, I knew the FBI wouldn’t do anything about it, however he apparently thought otherwise.
As soon as the conversation was over, and I already had a browser window open and ready to execute this, I took control of his yahoo account. I might’ve had to disconnect him so I could get him off of messenger, Either way, I logged into his account and sent everyone in his friends list a message explaining my adventure and who he/she really was, along with my yahoo messenger info in case they wanted to contact me. Then, I dexed everything on his yahoo account and the account itself.

我从他的雅虎账户中取出所有信息并存档，然后联系他。我告诉他我什么都知道。他不相信我。我给他看了我从他的电脑里提取的图像，他试图把责任推给他的室友。但是，当我告诉他我要把我所有的东西都发电子邮件给FBI时，他生气了好几分钟，然后承认了一切，并告诉我一些关于他无法通过合法途径赚钱的悲惨故事。我告诉他，如果他答应再也不做这样的事，我就不会把文件寄给FBI，但如果我再看到他这样做，我会把文件寄出去，让他完蛋。当然，我知道FBI不会对此采取任何行动，但他显然不这么认为。
对话一结束，我就打开了一个浏览器窗口，准备执行这个操作，我控制了他的雅虎账户。我不得不断开他的连接，这样我才能让他下线，总之，我登录了他的账户，给他朋友列表里的每个人发了一条信息，解释了我的冒险经历、他/她的真实身份，以及我的雅虎信使信息，以防他们想联系我。然后，我删除了他雅虎账户上的所有内容以及账户本身。
I got 15–20 messages over the next two days or so thanking me for what I did. I heard from one guy in particular that was really messed up by Mr. Oseni. He had been paying “her” $700/month rent for the past 6 months or so. He was the guy I saw agreeing to send her money to go visit him. When I first started, I thought that anyone who fell for these scams were just idiots. After all of that, I realized some of them just wanted to help out of the kindness of their hearts. And some others were just lonely and looking for someone to care.
Anyway, so I continued to check my FTP server for a week or so and I never saw him doing it again. Of course he could’ve used a different PC, but I like to believe he might have changed his ways, even if the chance is very small.
That was my adventure scamming a scammer. Hope you enjoyed it.

在接下来的两天左右的时间里，我收到了15-20条信息，感谢我所做的一切。特别是有个家伙告诉我，他真的被奥塞尼害惨了。在过去的6个月左右，他一直每月给“她”支付700美元的租金。他就是我见到的那个同意给她钱去看望他的人。我刚开始以为任何上当受骗的人都是白痴。在这一切之后，我意识到他们中的一些人只是出于内心的善良而想帮忙，还有一些人只是感到孤独，想找个人来关心。
总之，我继续检查我的FTP服务器一周左右，我再也没看到他这么做过。当然，他可以用另一台电脑，但我愿意相信，他可能会改变自己的方式，即使机会很小。
那是我骗骗子的冒险经历，希望你喜欢。
Mercedes R. Lackey, Author
Waaaaaay back when email was very new, I got a Nigerian Scammer email. I decided to have some fun with him.
I posed as an archaeologist who was just about to go on a dig; I was really interested in helping him, because it would help finance my work “which I can’t get academic funding for, due to the controversy,” but I would be in touch with him in about a week.
In a week, sure enough he emailed me again. I was “back from the dig,” and I had made some “really exciting finds” indicating the worship of some “totally unknown gods or demons” in the middle of Indiana before white men arrived. I asked him for details, said I would get back to him once I had the details, and said I was mailing him one of the many “amulets” I had found as a souvenir.

在刚流行电子邮件时候，我就收到了一封尼日利亚骗子的电子邮件，我决定和他一起玩。
我假装成一名考古学家，正要进行挖掘；我真的很想帮助他，因为这可以帮助我，因为我的工作因为争议而得不到学术资助，，但我将在大约一周后与他联系。
一周后，他又给我发了一封邮件。我“从挖掘中回来”，发现了一些“非常令人兴奋的发现”，表明在白人到来之前，印第安那州中部有人崇拜一些“完全不知名的神或魔鬼”。我向他询问细节，说一旦我知道了细节就会再联系他，并说我将给他邮寄我发现的众多“护身符”中的一个作为纪念品。
He emailed me right back, but my response was about the strange sounds I was hearing at night. He emailed me again, but my response was that the shadows in my office and apartment seemed to be acting “oddly.” There was a lot more back and forth like that, then I stopped emailing him.
After about five increasingly testy emails from him, I emailed him from a new account, as “Detective Such and Such” with the “Indianapolice” PD. I described in detail the scene of carnage we had discovered in the archaeologist's office, and the fact that everything was covered with a layer of strange, glowing slime. I told him sternly that he was the last contact on the archaeologist’s email account, they wanted to question him at length. And oh…I hadn’t mailed him anything,?
Amazingly I never heard from him again.

他马上给我回了邮件，但我的回复是关于我在晚上听到的奇怪的声音。他又给我发了一封电子邮件，但我的回答是，我办公室和公寓里的影子似乎表现得“很奇怪”。我和他有过很多次这样的交流，然后我就不再给他发邮件了。
在他发了大约五封越来越烦躁的电子邮件后，我用新账号给他发了邮件，名字是"印第安纳警局的某某警探。我详细地描述了我们在考古学家办公室里发现的大屠杀场景，以及所有东西都覆盖着一层奇怪的、发光的黏液。我严厉地告诉他，他是考古学家电子邮件账户上的最后一个联系人，他们想对他进行详细的询问，有关我没有给他寄任何东西？
令人惊讶的是，我再也没有收到过他的来信。